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Quote: FevGrinder "

The fly in the ointment is that it looks to me as if Briggs is carrying an injury and therefore it is possible that JS (John Sharpe - the Fev coach) has asked for access to Lilley. I doubt that this is true of the other Leeds loan players to Bradford however. If I was JS I'd be asking as part of the DR deal for access to the best players we could get from Leeds, there would be no point in the agreement if you didn't.

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Dual reg doesn't work that way. Leeds tell you which players will be available you don't get any choice in the matter. If Leeds like they aren't doing don't want to make Lilley available to you but loan him to us that is entirely there right.

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Quote: thepimp007 "Serious question in bold you believe John Sharpes coaching is of the level of Tooveys?'"


I noticed that!

Perhaps we should be expecting Jon Sharpe to be head hunted by Canberra Raiders or Brisbane Broncos icon_eek.gif

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Quote: paulwalker71 "I noticed that!

Perhaps we should be expecting Jon Sharpe to be head hunted by Canberra Raiders or Brisbane Broncos
I just hope Tooves gets his visa and signs a perm contract asap, the cynic in me still thinks someone will swoop in for him.
from frequent comments from other fans I think it is safe to say we are the most hated team in the championship, it kind of gives me a warm feeling inside.. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: thepimp007 "Serious question in bold you believe John Sharpes coaching is of the level of Tooveys?'"


Think he's missing point TBH. Reason Lilley would get more benefit being coached by Toovey as opposed to Sharpe, is Toovey spent his entire playing career in Lilleys position, including at rep level, whereas Sharpe was a loose forward. Think Toovey will have a lot more relevent experience to pass on.

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Quote: FevGrinder "BB, Even tho your comment do come over as disrespectful, none taken since I can see where you are coming from. However your reasoning doesn't stack up in that

Yeah I think if Lilley was at Fev he still would have played 3 full games as he has at Bradford. But in terms of playing with better players, I honestly think Lilley will learn a more playing alongside the experience of Leon Pryce and Scott Moore. Both of whom have won Grand Finals and played in big games (Pryce in the WCC, CC and GF, Moore in the NRL). I like Briggs as a player but he can't teach Lilley the same things that Pryce can in the halves. Yes, the pack at Fev might be better than ours at the moment but that doesn't matter when a halfback needs to learn little things in his game. It's who he is partnered with which is key.

Quote: FevGrinder "2) I am not totally sold on Toovey as a coach as the Bradford fans seem to be, okay he had 3 years as head coach at Manly and took them to 2 grand final, but he inherited a really good side and in truth at the end of the 3 years left them in a worse place than they were before. Were as JS improved a poor Huddersfield side (don't forget you can only work with the money you have). Also for me Thacks has come on significantly under JS. So why you would believe that he is getting better coaching at Bradford than he would at Fev is beyond me.

Though obviously this is my opinion.'"


In your opinion he inherited a good side, but even so. It is what you do with that side which counts. McNamara inherited a world champion side when he took over us and yet took us to no finals in a competition where there were only 3-4 good teams at the time. Toovey took Manly to 2 finals in a competition where there are 16 good sides. To me that is good coaching.

And as mentioned before Toovey was a halfback all his career and has represented New South Wales 16 times and Australia 13 times in an era where you had Andrew Johns (he partnered him at NSW), Brad Fittler, Brett Kimmorley, Alan Langer etc. His experience with so important to Lilley. A few months with Toovey and he will learn more about being a top halfback than he would if he spent a year with Sharp.

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Quote: "We will do the right thing by Bradford '"


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Good news. All doing well for us.

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Quote: FevGrinder "...I am not totally sold on Toovey as a coach as the Bradford fans seem to be, okay he had 3 years as head coach at Manly and took them to 2 grand final, but ...'"




Oh - and that Einstein chap - sure he invented the Theory of Relativity, but ...Thanks! I needed a good laugh!

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Good old Brian Mc. Good news for us, good for Leeds, good for the players involved, not too fussed either way about the effect on fev - that's between Leeds and fev, nothing to do with us.

Keyes will still get his chance no doubt.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "

Oh - and that Einstein chap - sure he invented the Theory of Relativity, but ...!'"

...compared to him Heisenberg is certainly the greatest astro turphician ever!

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Quote: thepimp007 "Serious question in bold you believe John Sharpes coaching is of the level of Tooveys?'"


The coaching is not just one man is it? It is the head coach and the relevant backroom staff as well is it not? Some coaching teams work in certain situations and not others. Could Toovey have moved Huddersfield from a bottom 4 SL side in 2003 to a top 4 SL side in 2007 given the lack of resources at Huddersfield at the time I don't know, but JS did. Could JS with all the money available have kept Manley in the top 4 during 2013/4 in the NRL I don't know. I guess we never will.

If Fev win more games this year than the Bulls does that make JS a better coach than Toovey? In my opinion not since the stating point and resources are different. However at the same time to say that Toovey will be better for Lilley just because he coached at Manly is just as daft, but each to their own.

I get the point that Toovey was a half back, a state of origin player and international, however that doesn't mean that he can pass on that knowledge. Some of the best teachers can't do and some of the best doers can't teach or in the past, based on what what I have read on the Bull's forum, coach in the case of Lowe & McNammara. This is not to say Toovey will not be the best coach ever for any player, he may well be and time will tell.


As an aside it seems I have had more bites on this thread than I have ever had on any of my posts on the RL forums without even intending to do so, so will try to answer some of them. BTW for what it's worth you can take the pee out of me all you want and I'm sure some will.

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I don't know what Sharpe is like as a RL team coach but I seem to recall he left under a bit of a cloud at the RFL. Wasn't very highly thought of by his staff there from what I recall (to put it diplomatically).

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