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Quote: Bulliac "You have to hope it never comes to that but, as a very short term expedient, it may be the only way to carry on.'"


It wouldn't be "carrying on" though would it? It'd be the final nail.

You can only have so many fresh starts in lower and lower tiers before nobody cares anymore. The day we move out of Bradford we stop having a club IMO.

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Another problem Odsal now has going against it is that we have no idea what is to become of Richard Dunns when it is closed down. If that land is redeveloped, that is a huge loss of car parking space for fans. If we are to have any ambition of getting back to larger crowds anytime soon this would be a major concern for me.

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At the moment we aren't playing full stop. However, Odsal is still home and that is where I think we will continue to play should we get out of this awful mess.

Long term however, I think Lawn has the right idea. All it takes is someone with some ambition and cash and they could make something really big at Odsal.

Sell the existing bowl for landfill (agreement needed by the council), use the money to build a community stadium on the land where Richard Dunn's currently sits (nothing flash... 10k capacity max) , expand to include hotel and other retail/leisure units, use money left from sale of Odsal and other builds to re-invest back into Bradford Council and everyone's a winner.

I cannot see a reason why with some blood and guts it cannot be done.

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I've seen a few shouts for a hotel but would Cedar Court at top of M606 kick off about it?

We all know Morrisons poo-pooed the Tesco option in the early noughties.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "I'm a stuck record but, with no disrespect to the horror of the disaster, we will never get city out of that macabre shrine so any notion of ground share can be forgotten.'"


I may not have worded this in exactly the same way but this is exactly it.

I realise that we are also in far greater need of a groundshare than the Bantams are but I am merely trying to look at the sensible solution.

The RL/Football divide that seems to be prominent between the fans in every city except for Leeds is ridiculous and people really need to be realistic. The emotional attachment to VP will always be a divisive issue also. I realise the reasons why City fans want to remain there but surely there could be another way of honouring the lost supporters? They have the plaque on the wall of the stadium (which could surely be displayed at any other development that would take place on the VP site) and also the memorial at Centenery Square?

It could also be mentioned that the stadium as it is now is also completely different for the one that was there that fateful day. (bar the area behind the goal to the left of the main stand I believe?)

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I don't know much about City but I imagine now they seem to be out of their financial strife and bobbing along nicely, alongside a probably equally shackling ground arrangement, I doubt they'd want or need to move.

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Quote: bullinenemyland "At the moment we aren't playing full stop. However, Odsal is still home and that is where I think we will continue to play should we get out of this awful mess.

Long term however, I think Lawn has the right idea. All it takes is someone with some ambition and cash and they could make something really big at Odsal.

Sell the existing bowl for landfill (agreement needed by the council), use the money to build a community stadium on the land where Richard Dunn's currently sits (nothing flash... 10k capacity max) , expand to include hotel and other retail/leisure units, use money left from sale of Odsal and other builds to re-invest back into Bradford Council and everyone's a winner.

I cannot see a reason why with some blood and guts it cannot be done.'"


Although a very logical solution, my issue with it is this:

If we were gonna build a new stadium, surely it would be with the ambition or at least hope that it would be a stadium suitable to be picked to host cup finals or maybe even internationals and such like?
Not sure how attractive a proposition such a stadium would be, if it was plonked right next to a land fill site?!

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Not sure how attractive a proposition such a stadium would be, if it was plonked right next to a land fill site?!'"


Or a subsequent hotel for that matter!

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Quote: bullinenemyland "At the moment we aren't playing full stop. However, Odsal is still home and that is where I think we will continue to play should we get out of this awful mess.

Long term however, I think Lawn has the right idea. All it takes is someone with some ambition and cash and they could make something really big at Odsal.

Sell the existing bowl for landfill (agreement needed by the council), use the money to build a community stadium on the land where Richard Dunn's currently sits (nothing flash... 10k capacity max) , expand to include hotel and other retail/leisure units, use money left from sale of Odsal and other builds to re-invest back into Bradford Council and everyone's a winner.

I cannot see a reason why with some blood and guts it cannot be done.'"


This is ideal solution imo. I'd go further and have its as a gound share with park avenue on the richard dunn site. Funds raised from selling off odsal and horsfall would easily cover a 10k stadium, with provision built in for future expansion, and leave a sizeable chunk left over for council to help with their budgets too. Both clubs have support bases that draw largely from south side of city. Could even merge in new swimming pool planned for sedbergh site and sell that off too. would be more cost effective running and managing everything on one site then split over 3 as currently.

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Quote: Bullmans Parade "Although a very logical solution, my issue with it is this

Build new stadium on all weather pitches portion of richard dunn site and demolish Richard dunn moving demolition waste onto current car parks. then when stadium ready use the demolition waste to infill odsal. That would go a fir way to filling odsal as land fill and reduce costs of transporting the waste to alternative land fil. Pretty certain odsal would only be in use as landfill for a couple of years and then it would be developed for logistics with a link road directly offf m606.

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After the super impressive stand building exploits of Featherstone fans, shall we have a go at doing this ourselves.

I could get a fair bit of the Richard Dunn in the back of the Volvo.

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Quote: Bullseye "It wouldn't be "carrying on" though would it? It'd be the final nail.

You can only have so many fresh starts in lower and lower tiers before nobody cares anymore. The day we move out of Bradford we stop having a club IMO.'"


I would hope something in the district could be arranged.

Much depends on where we are, financially, league, losing points and players etc. Unless we can pretty much re-boot what we've got nlikely, I'd say], then Odsal isn't going to be anything like viable and I do have some sympathy with those who suggest that, as things stand with leases etc, Odsal isn't viable full stop.

If we end up as a part time, league 1 club, then Horsfall wouldn't be quite a disaster for a season. When you look at the sort of grounds used by Sheffield and London then Horsfall wouldn't have any bother getting a licence in that division. I doubt we'd have[i that[/i many fans either, in that division tbh.

Too many ifs, buts and don't knows, to be have any real idea. We need to know where we'll be, as a club, to come to any conclusions.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "After the super impressive stand building exploits of Featherstone fans, shall we have a go at doing this ourselves.

I could get a fair bit of the Richard Dunn in the back of the Volvo.'"


After being part of project management teams involved in the planning, building and operating close to £35m worth of sports facilities, I could throw my hat into the ring and get involved too.

I prefer to be more strategic operational than hands on construction though... just saying!!! c020.gif

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You lads should get together, in a quiet pub if need be, and toss this ball around. If you can come up with, say two or three, viable amalgams of some of the ideas posted, then you organise a public meeting and encourage as many as possible to attend, invite the media (local, regional and national), the local MPs, the Council and as many other interested parties as possible. Bradford has a great fan base still. Make its voice heard. All politicos are chasing votes.

Leigh is a town rather than a city, smaller fan base, but with the move to a modern ground and the resulting interest of St Derek, phoenixes can rise from the flames.
Leigh were part-timers but are no longer. Super League next season. Derek (never met him so pretend no affiliation) is an owner who seems to really care for the club. The lack of owners at Bradford over the last few years that can genuinely tick that box is the main thing that holds the club back. Ignore the next deus ex machina and establish a community (council, business and fans) oriented club. Then all decisions are made in the interests of the collective.
There's an Association Football club in Catalunia of which Bongser has heard tell. They seem to be going quite well...

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Don't forget, if Bradford Council gets back the unencumbered freehold of Odsal due to ongoing events and then sells it, it would need to use some or all of the proceeds to fund the building of TWO new community stadia in the District, not one:
1 that Bradford Bulls/Northern could use, at either Horsfall or the Richard Dunn site and
2 in the Keighley area, that Cougars could use (either at the existing Lawkholme Lane/Cougar Park site {including the relocation of Keighley Cricket Club to the Keighley RUFC site} or at Belton Road, Silsden)

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