I was pretty despondent after the MPG because first, we should have won it, second if Addy's conversion had been good we WOULD have won it, third because we came so close despite a mystifying squad selection and the terrible luck of a still-nowhere-near-fit Gaskell.

I was despondent because if we couldn't beat a Wakefield in such disarray, then no better opportunity would likely come again.

But, I stumped up for my £380 season ticket expecting that the squad having had a year to get to know each other, plus one or two decent improvements, would again make a good fist of the season, even if it seemed unlikely we could win the MPG. I reasoned that there was chance, however slim, that we could finish in an automatic promotion spot. And it was slim, but it could be done, if we were better, trampled everyone all season and peaked at the right time, and managed to win against a SL team that also dropped other points, I could see a way.

Unfortunately our recruitment has been baffling and shambolic, and anybody who has watched the games knows that these players are not properly coached, and come on to the field somehow with a huge inferiority complex, and a tender constitution, and as soon as things go wrong, they panic and we can't find a way out.

Even the coach knows he's not coaching them properly - he keeps saying so. He says its his job and he is failing. But why is he still in it, then? I mean, what signs are there that despite our descent into a frankly joke side, he has the ability to turn us into victors over SL clubs in the playoffs? (and how daft does THAT idea sound?!?)

I don't understand Green. I understand loyalty but this isn't about that, this is about a team which is totally lost, and a "coach" who repeatedly admits he has no clue what to do to make things better. And a club that thinks we don't need a scrum half.

But my main concern is the universal bad feeling and bad taste of all present at recent games, especially after Sheffield. Green underestimates the fans. There is only so much shiit you can take before it sticks in your throat and I think the limit is now being reached. People feel as if they have been sold a pup, and that there is zero sign of anybody doing anything about it. The players seemingly love Lowes, Lowes loves them, and Green and Ferres love both, and so we are apparently doomed to do nothing, and to play like this all season, and to finish somewhere in the lower reaches of the Championship, and thereafter to die a slow and lingering death as crowds disappear, money dries up, and we become the club that once used to be Bradford.

It is all a bitter pill, but it needs something major to change and fast - but all the signs are that NOTHING will be changing any time soon, if at all.

Is that all there is?

It appears so.

Well summed up FA.

Ditto, superb summing up, let's hope Green or one of his associates looks at it and then gets that the apathy we feel has to be stopped NOW

Here's how to send a message - don't turn up to the next home game. An empty stand and terrace = soiled pants in the director's box.

What is Green's RL background?

Is he from Bradford? Is he a long time fan? Has he ever been involved in RL before? Does he have good knowledge of the game or is he totally reliant on Ferres and Lowes for advice?

I don't really know anything about the bloke.

Bradford still have quality players. The "COMMUNICATION" as Brian and even James has alluded to is someway to fixing the problems.

James Lowes is quite rightly recognised as a club legend. However, much like Kevin Keegan as England manager he was too emotional, his balance of Logic and emotion was out of kilt. I think James is in that hole. The other problem possibly is that everyone is unique and James maybe cannot understand why his messages and direction are not getting through. The communication has to evolve through a culture where everyone is involved so that they understand. Emotional messages are very powerful but short lived. Logic is what will carry some permanent development. I do not think great coaches are "Loved" but have gained respect without question.

Marc Green should make a business decision and show Ferris the door, he has become a liability now and is holding back the Clubs progress and Green does not owe him a duty of loyalty! A new CEO with SL experience will certainly freshen things up and indirectly improve the attitude of the Team and possibly on field performances!

As to who is Marc Green. I have been to almost all meetings where Marc Green has spoken and it seems to me that he is a businessman who is trying to run the Bull as as a business i.e Income exceeds expenditure or at least expenditure doesn't exceed income. So my guess would be that he relies on both Ferres and Lowes for his RL knowledge.

I suspect Robbie over Lowes, but otherwise I don't think there's any doubt about that at all.

Quite agree. Is it Ferres or the board as a whole who spectacularly under estimate the strength of feeling amongst spectators. Perhaps if they were willing to engage in a fans forum a bit more regularly then they'd get a clearer idea of our thoughts.

Ferres has to take a lot of responsibility for this, he employed Lowes, he's seemingly in overall charge of recruitment and he's doing a cracking job of p1ssing off the loyal fans that are left.

I'm still not convinced the club are even taking the 23 games that seriously, I've lost all enthusiasm for the matches at the moment. If my season ticket wasn't paid for, I certainly wouldn't be paying £22 walk up prices to watch the current shambles. The club are actually take the p!ss a little charging those prices when we don't even have a scrum half at the club.

You'd have to offer a small fortune to Rowley. He's been nailed on for the Toronto coaching job for ages, on mega-bucks. I hear he was offered that role, ages before his 'moralistic' stance at Leigh.

I've never known a fan base like it. They will blame anyone bar the head coach with McCluless it was Basil's fault, Cummins it was a crap squad and now Lowes it's Ferres fault.

Oh I hold Lowes responsible but I wouldn't be sad to see Ferres following him out the door. I seriously question his judgement about quite a few things at the Bulls right now.

Firstly you COULD and not would have beaten Wakefield but you didn't, secondly even IF Addy's conversion had been good, on the basis that you never scored another point yet we did how do you come to the conclusion that you WOULD have won it, thirdly you were nowhere near close, you were always playing catch up to a poor Wakefield side and you can feel sorry for yourself all you want and blame James Lowes all you want for his team selection but in reality you just wasn't good enough and you need to realise this and move on because you can if and but all you want, it won't alter anything and not to put too finer point on it, on this seasons performances you can't even hold your own in the second tier of rugby, god help you if by some fluke you had managed to get into SL you would have been a bigger embarrassment than we were.

Are they rationing full stops in Wakefield these days?