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Quote: Blotto "Didn't I read that Hood & Bennetts Firm NAK were owed 70+ Grand, so I expect that will written off as a tax loss?'"


The very fact that the club bought services from a company whose directors/owners (and or their wives) were also directors of the club would be investigated in regard to preferential payments.

In the same context, there would be scrutiny if directors used incoming funds to discharge personal debt guarantees. Again this could be considered a preferential payment if it pre-empted a
a directors personal liabilty.

All/most companies who go bust could be argued to have traded while insolvent. They key criteria which would provoke further scrutiny is whether directors were considered to be benefiting themselves in the process, knowing or having likely knowledge that creditors were about to get bent over.

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Quote: M@islebugs "The very fact that the club bought services from a company whose directors/owners (and or their wives) were also directors of the club would be investigated in regard to preferential payments.

In the same context, there would be scrutiny if directors used incoming funds to discharge personal debt guarantees. Again this could be considered a preferential payment if it pre-empted a
a directors personal liabilty.

All/most companies who go bust could be argued to have traded while insolvent. They key criteria which would provoke further scrutiny is whether directors were considered to be benefiting themselves in the process, knowing or having likely knowledge that creditors were about to get bent over.'"


The transactions with NAK were fully disclosed as required in the accounts - and there is no law preventing companies with joint management/ownership trading with each other. As NAK ended up being one of the largest creditors of the company I think you have some way to go yet before you have proved your case that any of our benighted and mercifully former directors gained personally from the disaster they manifested upon the club.

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The one thing which I asked about at the time, and which I don't yet know the answer to, related to the former company's bank.

We got differing stories from the former management and from the bank, which was very odd in itself.

However, I understood the position to be that prior to the farrago of the RFL loan/lease transactions, the club had a sizeable overdraft, and the balance of information suggests that this overdraft was basically called in.

It was also my understanding that the amount owed to the bank (but nowhere else) was secured by directors' PGs.

Did the directors end up having to stump up their PGs to the bank? If not, how was the bank paid off? (If indeed it was paid off. As nobody connected with the shenanigans has ever given public details of the situation).

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As I understand it paying the overdraft off was main use (along with paying one of the tax bills) made of the 500k raised from us. Seem to remember that hood and Bennett couldn't stand down as directors until their PGs were discharged by the overdraft being cleared but this then left club with no operating capital. Hence the need for advances of the sky monies to pay the wages.

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Quote: Northernrelic "The transactions with NAK were fully disclosed as required in the accounts - and there is no law preventing companies with joint management/ownership trading with each other. As NAK ended up being one of the largest creditors of the company I think you have some way to go yet before you have proved your case that any of our benighted and mercifully former directors gained personally from the disaster they manifested upon the club.'"


Thankfully it's not my case and you're quite correct as to the law not preventing companies with joint management/shareholding trading with each other. My point was that when one of these companies goes into admin or liquidation, the transactions between the two will be scrutinised for any evidence of possible irregularities. Such evidence maybe the purchase of goods at inflated prices or the sale of goods at particularly low prices.

Or, the sequence of events allowing directors to discharge PGs as FA refers to.

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Pure suposition but imagine the following conversations:

Scene one - Bank

Bank Manager 1 " Why goodness me George the Bradford Bulls account seems to have received a substantial sum of readies from someone living at "the Red Shed" or some plebian name like that"
Bank Manager 2 " While my word, I know those golly good sorts down at HQ have spent the last ten years telling us to give money to any one asked, but apparenently there was a bit of an incident and now we are not to lend money to anyone"
Bank manager 1 " While that was fortuitous just as the nice Bull chaps have gone into credit for the first time since that nice Welsh gentleman deposited a postal order in 1963 - we better remove their overdraft facitlity pretty sharpish eh!"

Scene 2 - large hole in Ground in South Bradford
Peter " Oh ****"
Another " What can be the matter Peter?"
Peter " We don't have any money and that squad of ours need paying at the end of the month"
Another " Well do you have any fans left or did they all follow that nice Mr Mcbanana chap to Hull"
Peter " I saw some last week - do you think they could give us some money?"

And the rest - as we know is history

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Quote: M@islebugs "Thankfully it's not my case and you're quite correct as to the law not preventing companies with joint management/shareholding trading with each other. My point was that when one of these companies goes into admin or liquidation, the transactions between the two will be scrutinised for any evidence of possible irregularities. Such evidence maybe the purchase of goods at inflated prices or the sale of goods at particularly low prices.

Or, the sequence of events allowing directors to discharge PGs as FA refers to.'"


I think standard end of admin form is to:

1) Check enough money to cover fees
2) If surplus after fees - then invoice more fees
3) print standard word doc about having taken lots of time checking conduct of directors and found nothing - then post 2nd class

Believe me if they thought anything could have been easily recovered from the directors as a result of their actions they would have done - but this is very, very rarely the case and they would have needed to have been caught taking cash out of the till.

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Quote: Northernrelic "Pure suposition but imagine the following conversations

I suspect something similar but related to the pledge money. The Sky money is paid monthly so no big cash amount but the pledge certainly generated a large amount of money in one go. Bank then took the oportunity to cut or clear the overdraft and our budget for that year is gone. Ties in with timing of the stadium deal to some extent.

As FA says though we have heard conflicting stories about the banks involvement. The bank may just have got wind of other problems with our finances and decided (rightly from their point of view) to get while they could recover something.

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