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I'm a Bullbuilder member and a former committee member of BISA (now defunct). In my experience there is often a lot talk from the fringes about what a supporters group should and shouldn't do but very little actual committment to give time and actually do things. If there isn't a major issue to deal with people can drift away and dealing with mundane matters isn't very sexy or exciting. Before you know it you get taken for granted.

Any movement toward Bullbuilder looking to run a club as a co-op in the lower leagues would I'm sure demand a heck of a lot more from people - not just a weekly committee meeting to attend or a few hours on an evening. We would need volunteers, with the right expertise and with a willingness to give up plenty of hours during the week and sacrifice most weekends too. Even then it'd probably not get off the ground without a cash injection and a place to play.

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Any movement toward Bullbuilder looking to run a club as a co-op in the lower leagues would I'm sure demand a heck of a lot more from people - not just a weekly committee meeting to attend or a few hours on an evening. We would need volunteers, with the right expertise and with a willingness to give up plenty of hours during the week and sacrifice most weekends too. Even then it'd probably not get off the ground without a cash injection and a place to play.'"


why the lower leagues?? I'll bet that the RFL would wholely welcome fan ownership in the SL as an alternate business model to the sugar daddy one, it is SUSTAINABLE in the long term, not on the whim of a loaded bloke!

Why would there be volunteers? if the maths is right and the books are balanced I'm pretty sure we could attract alot of talent (management/administration etc...) who would work for less than they would potentially get in the commercial world - Bullbuilders committee is made up of such people already doing it for nothing - offer them a reasonable salary and hey presto......

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I too am a member of BB, I unfortunately do not have the time to run or aid this, but.. i would make a financial contribution.
I think that as Adeybull says, if this thing needs to get off the ground and then be successful then 1. it initially needs people to help run it but 2. also just as important, it would need people to donate money.
Like i say, i can only do one of the above.
Hope i'm not shot for not being able to help run it.

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Quote: Bullpower2012 "Right off to join Bullbuilder to make some noise I appreciate AF's comment about the need for a debate, but the only way in which we're empowered to act on people's views is if they are members. You've done the right thing (and it wasn't so painful, was it? icon_wink.gif ).

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Quote: jammle "Hope i'm not shot for not being able to help run it.'"


On the contrary! You recognise what is required, recognise what you are able to conbtribute, and in what form, and what you are not, and are prepared to deliver on that.

Gets you a medal, not an appointment with the firing squad, in my book!

From each according to his ability, and all that...

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Quote: MDF "I appreciate AF's comment about the need for a debate, but the only way in which we're empowered to act on people's views is if they are members. You've done the right thing (and it wasn't so painful, was it?
no pain whatsoever and took less than 30 seconds via paypal!

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Quote: Bullpower2012 "why the lower leagues?? I'll bet that the RFL would wholely welcome fan ownership in the SL as an alternate business model to the sugar daddy one, it is SUSTAINABLE in the long term, not on the whim of a loaded bloke!

Why would there be volunteers? if the maths is right and the books are balanced I'm pretty sure we could attract alot of talent (management/administration etc...) who would work for less than they would potentially get in the commercial world - Bullbuilders committee is made up of such people already doing it for nothing - offer them a reasonable salary and hey presto......

Right off to join Bullbuilder to make some noise
Well I for one would probably apply for any job advertsied! icon_biggrin.gif

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There is a certain element of resignation creeping in - and that's probably not missplaced - but with the clock ticking isn't worth at least seeing what is possible?

So trying to summarise:

1) If the BB members agree in principal we could see how much time and money would be offered by fans. So would it make sense for BB to get its members to vote then at least there would be a clear position. I would fully understand there is nervousness about the amount of work which could ensue but would hope that if the colours were nailed to the mast new member and contributions would come in, if not then we know where we stand.
2) If item 1) was affirmative then it's definately or get off the pot time and really need I would guess 2000 or more people willing to commit time and money.
3) See how much could be collected ( or at least promised) from fans as this would really show what the realistic expectation and objective would be for 2013. I am happy to be corrected by would assume anything less than say £250k would mean starting at the bottom and not likely to get much interest from other parties? but if you started to edge over the last pledge total then maybe other investors could be drawn in and a shot could be made at higher status?

I for one would be willing to do some donkey work though have a full time job commitment for a few more years, and could stump a a few more £'oo - or a bit more if Mrs Relic could be kept in the dark! I just have this feeling that if the fans don't move from debating to rallying round constructively in short order then the chance will pass very quickly and another part of Bradford's heritage will slip under the waves.

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Quote: Bullpower2012 "Bullbuilders committee is made up of such people already doing it for nothing - offer them a reasonable salary and hey presto......'"

Sorry, only just noticed this bit. Big icon_thumb.gif from me!

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Re the hardship fund collection, if someone can point me in the direction of a bucket, I could take the hospitality opportunity (see Sponsor A Player 2012 thread) to wander around the Coral Stand and extract from the prawn sandwich persons icon_smile.gif Or I might persuade Shania to do it given she's marginally better looking than even I am . ..

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Seeing as you guys met Blake Solly, has it been asked of the RFL how a Bulls fan fundraising effort could help make the sale of the club more likely?

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Quote: Northernrelic "There is a certain element of resignation creeping in - and that's probably not missplaced - but with the clock ticking isn't worth at least seeing what is possible?

So trying to summarise

can I add to that list

4) Approach the RFL with the idea stating it has backing (if given by the membership) and gather their opinions./thoughts/objections - they may just bend the their rules to help......
5) Advertise the fact throughout all media forms to gain more backing/members
6) Approach Mr Tordoff and Mr Greenwoods (apparently...) to see what involvement they would like if they are bidders as rumoured
7) Approach SLE to see if they would accept (if they are accepted...) £750k or less for 51% of their holding in the bulls

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Quote: Bullpower2012 "can I add to that list

4) Approach the RFL with the idea stating it has backing (if given by the membership) and gather their opinions./thoughts/objections - they may just bend the their rules to help......
5) Advertise the fact throughout all media forms to gain more backing/members
6) Approach Mr Tordoff and Mr Greenwoods (apparently...) to see what involvement they would like if they are bidders as rumoured
7) Approach SLE to see if they would accept (if they are accepted...) £750k or less for 51% of their holding in the bulls'"



Why would a backer with lots of cash, want to put up at least half of the money, when any of the other half could just not renew their membership when ever they wish?

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