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At which point would the players become free agents

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Quote: fatbaztod100 "In a local gym you only need to have some one who is first aid trained, not necisarily gym qualified so in essence the receptionist only needs to be in. I don't know if it is the same for sports clubs and they need some one who has a more specialised quals (not necesarily first aid) or like some one said there may be no one who is first aid qualified left but was one of those made redundant the physio?'"


I think the difference being you go to a local gym, you sign a disclaimer "I'm an adult using equipment at my own risk, blah, blah, blah". The Bulls are using the gym as part of their work remit, therefore different rules will apply - one being I assume that they can only use the gym with "x" professional there (whether this is a physio, coach I haven't a clue".

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I'm sure a lot of players used to go to public gyms. Can they not still do so?

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Quote: Paul124897 "Sure, communication failure aside, has anyone considered that he may be at a meeting with a potential investor (or other club related matter) that may have resulted in the meeting today being cancelled or delayed?'"


Yes, and thats what it had better be because I see no other even vaguely ok reason to treat the players like this. But even if this was the case, does he not own a mobile? Does he not have Diskin or Heaths number? To put it in his language rather than mine, the players are the only remaining asset of any worth, so consideration should be made to keeping them honestly and timely informed. Or he could treat them as other human beings, not assets, and just show them some basic respect.

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One of the main reasons I got the hell out of corporate insolvency, years ago and after a period in that field, was that I could not act in the way that it seems it is necessary to act in that field. It seems to take a special kind of person, with massively-broad shoulders, to be an insolvency practitioner. I care too much about my fellow human beings to be able to do that.

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Quote: Paul124897 "Sure, communication failure aside, has anyone considered that he may be at a meeting with a potential investor (or other club related matter) that may have resulted in the meeting today being cancelled or delayed?'"


Not for a second. Otherwise the players would have got a message saying "Sorry lads, I really can't make the meeting as I now have to be at a meeting with a potential investor (or other club related matter)".

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Quote: Duckman "Yes, and thats what it had better be because I see no other even vaguely ok reason to treat the players like this. But even if this was the case, does he not own a mobile? Does he not have Diskin or Heaths number? To put it in his language rather than mine, the players are the only remaining asset of any worth, so consideration should be made to keeping them honestly and timely informed. Or he could treat them as other human beings, not assets, and just show them some basic respect.'"


I absolutely agree with your sentiments, but the harsh reality is even a shred of feeling for your fellow humans would pretty much rule you out of a career in insolvency. However if he is trying to put a game on at the weekend - to bring in some more cash - this shambles cannot be helping. The team have done us proud to date but feel that this weekend might be a step too far now.

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Quote: Northernrelic "I absolutely agree with your sentiments, but the harsh reality is even a shred of feeling for your fellow humans would pretty much rule you out of a career in insolvency. However if he is trying to put a game on at the weekend - to bring in some more cash - this shambles cannot be helping. The team have done us proud to date but feel that this weekend might be a step too far now.'"


True, I don't think me and the insolvency industry will miss each other icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Northernrelic " assuming of course fans aren't shut out for H&S reasons and just asked to leave their cash at a safe distance.'"

Until I know a little more about how the money will be spent I will leave my cash at a safe distance. At home.

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Quote: Adeybull "I care too much about my fellow human beings to be able to do that.'"


I don't know where you worked, but a lot of IP work can be pretty rewarding - solving problems, selling businesses, saving jobs.

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "would this not give the players grounds to walk, breach of contract from the club, failing to provide a safe working environment?

bit of a stretch i know.'"


Failure to provide a safe working environment is grounds for constructive dismissal, yes.

As is making employment untenable, unbearable or if trust and confidence breaks down. Although those last two are hard to prove.

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Quote: Bal "Failure to provide a safe working environment is grounds for constructive dismissal, yes.

As is making employment untenable, unbearable or if trust and confidence breaks down. Although those last two are hard to prove.'"


I'd say cancelling meetings to discuss the future of the players without notice or reason would go some way to provide proof.

Caisley is killing us. Just to stoke his own ego.

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