You have to temper your view of Westerman & Ratchford with the fact they would perform better under decent coaching. Looking forward t seeing Ratchford at WIre.

You've lost me there. But I agree with Yed.

It is not a question about winning - it irritated me more when wigan stayed up beating the cap so obviously when everone knew.
When we get told solly was our top earner and left to be a bit part player with a higher salary you have to question this?
When other pro players are questioning the cap - you have to wonder why they would dispute it?
We would all like to pay for and buy the player we like -do not mistake that, but we do not all have wealthy backers.

Morley and hodgson did not sign for peanuts do not be naive, just because you gave longer deals does not mean you are under paying themas opposed to offering same terms but a year longer?

We have not always being straight and narrow and have been punished for this. under the old we can cop it the year after rules. The thing was when you look at how our squad was built we were signing some mixed internationals but had brought through some of our bigger stars at the time - fielden, pryce and peacock being most obvious. Not saying these were cheap but the trick is to get them on mediocre long deals before they make it - we still went over the cap -a cap that has not increased that much in 6 years which does not account for inflation and cost of living rises....

Leeds never went over cap(most players have been home grown and dont remember them being charged) - we hate them winning or losing there is little pity given when you stuff your closest rivals.

Saints went over cap because two players had bonus's for international caps and both achieved long before expected, was a technicality.

Ok how much is Morley earning?

Reardon and johnson both left the bulls (SL champions) to join warrington because they were offered more money. Rauhihi was one of if not the highest paid prop in the competition when we had him. We also had briers, gleeson, grose, fa'fili, swann amongst others yet nobody qustioned our cap spend. We have been spending the full cap for years the only difference is that our coach used to be cr@p so we never challenged for any honours and it didn't upset other teams. Now that we are doing ok people from clubs who have been done for cap breaches (wigan included) are getting all hysterical about us. Frankly, it is getting beyond boring now.

Out from Wiredomthebull was 'told' Solly was one of Bulls' top earners - by whom? Bradford's accountant? If not, it's still only speculation.

One of the issues here with other fans I reckon is that most had come to live with the fact that Leeds, Saints, Bulls ( until recently ) and Wigan were always going to be ahead of most other clubs when it comes to getting the best players and winning the trophies. No-one was accustomed to Wire being in this 'club', and many resent it as they think Wire should be nothing more than an 'also-ran' in perpetuity - as we were from 1986-2009, along with the rest. Hence more suspicion ( or irony as domthebull would have it ) aimed at Wire than at any of the 'traditional' big clubs.

Usually it is only when someone signs a player midseason or late pre-season that I become suspicious. The obvious one is Wigan & Fielden. I was totally fine with Warrington's cap spend up until December 2010 when Joel Monaghan was signed as Warrington said they had purposely left some cap space spare ( for an Aus internationalist!?!)

I am sure that:
Out from Wire: Anderson & King
In for Wire: Waterhouse & Ratchford
matches up for next year.

It was:
Out from Wire: Vinnie Anderson, Kevin Penny & Ritchie (pay as you play ) Mathers
In for Wire : Hodgson(Man of Steel) and Monaghan (Aus Internationalist) - and Ben Halliwell grr..
last year that I think would need a lot of adjusting of the cap.

I was once actually told what his salary was - by someone who I strongly believe was telling me the truth and did indeed in all likelihood know. I was also told - and it seemed pretty clear from the number I was told anyway - that a considerable proportion of his total package was not in the form of salary. Believe that or not, that is up to you. But I most certainly will not breach confidence and repeat any numbers on here.

Exactly - Hicks left, Monaghan came in, and ( if you want to believe it ) there was talk of him accepting a lower-than-he-might-command salary for his first year.

Solly was on about 60k when he was at Bradford

Cannot post my source on this wall as it is damaging to myself