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| Quote: debaser "Free speech I'm all for. But there is a difference between free speech and marching through other people's streets chanting racist slogans. It's incitement to hatred. It's designed to cause trouble and nothing else.[/quot
What do you mean other peoples streets? and its not a march its a static demo, and what do you define as a racist slogan?
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| Quote: JUDGE666 "What do you mean other peoples streets? and its not a march its a static demo, and what do you define as a racist slogan?'"
Are you telling me all the muppets that are coming to the march (sorry demo) live in Bradford? Why are they promoting on various websites then trying to drum up support then? Why are they encouraging like-minded (and I use the word loosely) people to travel to join them?
And you really don't know what a racist slogan is? Are you having me on?
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| Quote: debaser "Are you telling me all the muppets that are coming to the march (sorry demo) live in Bradford? Why are they promoting on various websites then trying to drum up support then? Why are they encouraging like-minded (and I use the word loosely) people to travel to join them?
And you really don't know what a racist slogan is? Are you having me on?'"
No i'm not having you on, i said in an earlier post that the EDL do have a certain element of idiots that attach themselves to the group just as the UAF have theirs and in no way am i condoning racism.
Do you think condeming and opposing Militant Islam is Racist?
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| Quote: JUDGE666 "Do you think condeming and opposing Militant Islam is Racist?'"
Of course he doesn't, but the EDL are a racist group.
You can oppose militant islam without being a racist.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Of course he doesn't, but the EDL are a racist group.
You can oppose militant islam without being a racist.'"
The EDL are not a racist group but have racist people who attach themselves to it. It clearly states on the EDL website that anyone making any sort of racist chants or comments at demo's will be asked to leave, and rightly so..
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| Quote: JUDGE666 "Because we live in the UK where "free speech" is still allowed. Wether you agree with it or not. Its a difficult one.'"
There is no such thing as 'free speech' in any country. Every country has limits on what is allowed. It's the extent that differs.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Snip.'"
Without doubt Bradford will become majority Muslim if current trends persist. I would guess within a 3-mile radius of the centre it already is. I have no problem with that & that is not the reason I have joined the white flight. I do have an issue over how a large number of Pakistani origin men appear to treat women, but that is cultural rather than religious IMO. (I grew up in a household where psychological abuse was the norm so I acknowledge it is not restricted to Muslims.)
But as a city Bradford is in a minority & I cannot see a situation now or in a 100 years when Islam will be the dominant religion. Hopefully by then organised religion will be confined to the dustbin & we educate our children in mutual respect & understanding rather than mumbo jumbo.
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| Quote: tigertot "Without doubt Bradford will become majority Muslim if current trends persist. I would guess within a 3-mile radius of the centre it already is. I have no problem with that & that is not the reason I have joined the white flight. I do have an issue over how a large number of Pakistani origin men appear to treat women, but that is cultural rather than religious IMO. (I grew up in a household where psychological abuse was the norm so I acknowledge it is not restricted to Muslims.)
But as a city Bradford is in a minority & I cannot see a situation now or in a 100 years when Islam will be the dominant religion. Hopefully by then organised religion will be confined to the dustbin & we educate our children in mutual respect & understanding rather than mumbo jumbo.'"
If Bradford is to become "majority muslim" then will Islam not be the dominant religion? seems to make sense to me.
I do agee with you that organised religion should be confined to the dustbin but i fear it will take more than a hundred years..
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| Quote: JUDGE666 "The EDL are not a racist group but have racist people who attach themselves to it. It clearly states on the EDL website that anyone making any sort of racist chants or comments at demo's will be asked to leave, and rightly so..'"
I'm sure the BNP have similar disclaimers on their website.
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| Quote: JUDGE666 "The EDL are not a racist group'"
If you really believe that I think you're being incredibly naive.
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| Quote: Exeter Rhino "I'm sure the BNP have similar disclaimers on their website.'"
No, the BNP have never claimed to be a "multi ethnic, multi religious movement"
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| The EDL Leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson is a former BNP member with a criminal record. Is he one of the racists who has attached himself to the EDL?
Maybe someone should tell the leader? Oh hang on
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| Maybe he left the BNP because he did'nt agree with their ideology? does not automatically make him a racist..
The UAF claim to be an anti-facist movement that will demonstrate against anyone who holds these vile views, yet they were no where to be seen when our troops were disgracefully abused by Muslim fanatics as they returned home from war..
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| I was always brought up to understand that democracy in U.K. gave us the right to say what we want where we want and to whom we want if in a proper manner and whether or not you agree with these opinions I would defend their right to express them or are we becomming a police state and we become gagged for certain types of comments. I agree with judge 666 what has it got to do with Bradford Bulls but to the question of violence at these types of demonstrations the violence predominently seems to come from the rent a mob type of spectators who seem to enjoy a punch up. I think let the marches take place and basically ignore them and they will become pointless but to demonstrate and cause violence against them only highlights their cause.
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| It's nothing to do with the Bulls, hence the OT.
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