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Quote: Asim "I've heard Lee St Hilaire is having more input nowadays, and is the real force behind the improved results.'"



So it's not just me then.

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Quote: Adeybull "Doesn't quite work that way though, does it? If you want to get a half-decent Aussie to uproot and come over here, and to make a decent impact pre-season - and to have input into the 2011 team - its now you need to be talking to your prospective targets. Leave it till the back end of the season and its likely far too late to either get your man or to get him over here soon enough to make a difference.

I speak as someone who indeed did uproot to go work half way round the world. I had my first interview in September. I arrived in NZ mid-April. It need not take that long (see "Orford"icon_wink.gif but if you don't offer an overseas coach a job till the end of the season, I'd not expect him to front up until pre-season is well underway.

And likewise if you are not talking to your present coach now, he is entitled to assume that (as a minimum) it would be prudent to look elsewhere for employment after the end of his contract. It would be conceited in the extreme to assume you can keep him hanging on till close to the end of the season on your terms, would it not? If you then DO decide you want to keep him, you may well find he has made other arrangements.

That is anyway my opinion. Same as its my opinion - for the reasons stated above - that the club are probably already well on with what they are looking to do for next season, and we may well hear something sooner rather than later.'"


I think it depends on what level of interest there actually is in Macca (take Karl Harrison,a.k.a the forgotten man)as an example.) Would anybody be interested in Macca just yet?

And then on a new coach situation, there would be no uprooting reqiredif he coach already lived in this country.........

I would like to see an aussie coming in should Macca and the bulls part, but is there actually the cash to do this? Without knowing the Bulls finances, I cannot say, I can merely speculate and take whatever news comes directly from the club itself.

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We are about where we should be in the league now, looking at the squad, so whilst his detractors should be silent, he should not be receiving too much praise.

The hopeful point is, that we are moving in the right direction at the moment and so we may improve on where we are - if this happens he should rightly be praised.

The best thing for me has been the improvement in the attack - with dummy runners and support players everywhere. If Macca is responsible for this - well done, although I have my suspicions that this is down to somebody else.

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I wouldn't be handing him a new contract just yet, but the team are doing well.

Playing poor and winning is the sign of a good side.

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Considering we are not spending up to the cap, McNamara is doing an excellent job imo. If it was down to me i'd see how the next month or so goes. If its more of the same then a 2 year deal for Macca, if not, bring an Aussie in.

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tbh I think we wont have the luxury of waiting a month due to the impending england coach announcement and if we want to keep him we'll have to decide this coming week.

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If the decision was made this week, i'd keep him.

He's doing a great job looking at our league position considering we're operating under the salary cap. He'll probably get a bit more to spend next season, so i'd see where he can take us next.

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he'll only get more money to spend next year if attendances rise. We'll probably have some money freed up by menzies retiring but that'll get soaked up in an improved deal to retain langley. their may be a couple of other departures but not any of our bigger wages so we wont have much scope for strengthening unless we can get attendances and therefore income up.

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Quote: mat "he'll only get more money to spend next year if attendances rise. We'll probably have some money freed up by menzies retiring but that'll get soaked up in an improved deal to retain langley. their may be a couple of other departures but not any of our bigger wages so we wont have much scope for strengthening unless we can get attendances and therefore income up.'"

Money to spend was limited this year due to building the state of the art training facilities, so regardless of who we let go, I imagine we'll get a bit more to spend.

I'm not sure whether Menzies will even go yet, but if he does, all of his money won't go on Langley (But I really do hope we hear good news regarding a Langley contract soon!!)

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Quote: mat "he'll only get more money to spend next year if attendances rise. We'll probably have some money freed up by menzies retiring but that'll get soaked up in an improved deal to retain langley. their may be a couple of other departures but not any of our bigger wages so we wont have much scope for strengthening unless we can get attendances and therefore income up.'"


Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.

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Quote: Paul124897 "Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.'"


Judging by what I saw on the highlights last night, he sure does.

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Quote: Paul124897 "Who says Menzies is retiring? He easily has another year in him.'"


he's said in interviews he may do another year or he may look to move into coaching. If we could move him into coaching setup as an assistant that would be ideal for us imo. Another year playing may be a year too far imo. It also has to be remembered that we'll only have a quota space to recruit someone if menzies goes. nero wont count on quota next year so it doesnt help us in terms of quota whether he stays or goes and the other 4 ozzies are under contract for next year already.

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Quote: Adeybull "Do you really thing people stopped turning up because of a lack of faith in the coach?'"


Over the last couple of seasons - yes. I even know of at least 6 people who have stopped going for just that reason. Not that anecdote can be used as evidence of anything much, but it is my belief that over the last two seasons a lack of faith in the coach has contributed to a decline in attendances.

Quote: Adeybull " As for Wire, Wigan and Hudds - they have one teeny advantage that we do not - a rich owner to bankroll the club and fund the (sometimes extremely large) losses. The sort of owners who can fund much higher-cost coaching and other senior staff and other support and marketing activities. All are spending the salary cap (and in some cases must be getting some players VERY cheaply to stay within it...) and all have new stadia.
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I thought I said all that - so yes, I know, and I agree for the most part. However, do I think Macca is as good or better coach than Brown or Maguire? - No I don't. So would I replace him with either of them or similar if they were available, then yes I would. I know that this is not as simple as it sounds, given finances etc, but my ambition for the club would be to have a coach of similar quality and standing, I don't believe Macca is at that level yet, he might get there, but I'm far from convinced.

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Playing poor and winning is the sign of a good side.'"


I don't agree with that. Maybe the odd game but if a team is consistently playing poorly, winning or not, it is a reflection of other issues. Not that I am saying Bradford are, I have not seen enough recent games to comment.

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Quote: mat "you could ask his biggest critic except he doesnt seem to post unless we lose when he crawls out of the woodwork and tries to turn every thread into a sack macca one.
icon_biggrin.gif Nice to see your obsession is still alive and well.

However in regards to the OP then there are a few issues to discuss in regards to McNamara. This season, I concede, certainly seems to be showing signs of a improvement (difficult for me to be too sure due to the fact that I cannot see as many games as I would like) and for that, the coach deserve a great deal of credit. However, we still have a less than terrific record against the "top" sides we have faced so far this season (barring second half v Wigan) so it still suggests that were are still a way off being a contender in either of the two main competitions. (I accept we drew away against Leeds but it was a heavily depleted Leeds side and we threw it away TBH)

But we need to look at the bigger picture.

Has the tenure of McNamara been a success? Over the piece, no. We have failed to reach any finals (and therefore won nothing), our crowds are the lowest they have been for years, season on season are finishing lower down the table and we suffered the ignominity of not even getting into the play offs last season. The fans too, to a degree also seem restless.

But.....

If this season is an indication that things are going to improve then perhaps changing it now would not be the done thing and maybe McNamara deserves the chance to prove that he is indeed of the quality that plenty within the game seem to suggest he is. It could also be argued though that the wins we have had this season have been against the "lesser" sides in the comp (Quins, Catalans, Cas, Crusaders, Salford (with Wigan being the obvious exception)). Also factor in that from these wins, only Cas at home and Catalans away were comfortable wins (in terms of scoreline rather than performance). Add to that that we have had a couple of pastings (Saints and Wire) and a couple of reasonably comfortable losses (Giants and Dull FC) when we were flattered somewhat by getting a couple of late scores when the game was up.

I am not convinced whatsoever that offering McNamara a new deal is a particularly good move, and before people rush to say that it is hardly a surprise then I have tried to be as fair as possible with this view. Off-field problems notwithstanding there has still been far more to criticise about McNamara's reign than there has been to praise IMO and I obviously feel that we need a change at the end of his contract, if he does not head to the England job sooner. If he DOES get a new contract however, I would hope that it was a one year extension with and option for a further year rather than a frankly baffling five year deal like he got last time.

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