Diabolical. Half the players looked like they couldn't be d. Looking at the squad we have on paper, we are not that bad, so what's the explanation?

I am beginning to have my suspicions now....

Can't be d to look at all the posts but will assume its all the usual breast beating and angst!
Ist half the ref and line were in Stains favour and the Bulls let it get to them
2nd half we came and tried for 5 mins then dropped our heads again!

As we are officially bottom of the pile the only way is up, and up it will be, whether it starts to happen on Fri against a Cas side that lost to Wire" will remain to be seen!

A decent Stains side of old would have put 60-80 points on the board today against the way the Bulls played so they've got their own problems as
well!

We,ve all been here and seen that and should by now have got the T shirt!

Twill be a season of more rubbish and bollox not only the field but on the forums as well!

The problem is with Bradford is that your squad on paper does not look good imo. Your signings have been poor once again despite what your own fans think. I have been slated for saying you will not make the 8 again and having watched your first 2 games. My prediction is looking sweet!

Your Australian signings are not good eough imo, especially Kearney and L Estrange. The worrying thing is that if you pick up a couple of injurys, you really will be swimming up the wrong stream.

However, i really do hope you turn it around. I have loads of respect for you club. I loved the Bulls - Saints rivalry (robably because we always got one over you in the finals).

Good luck.

How much have you actually seen of these two?

Go post your opinions on the Saints board, we want to criticize our own players so leave us to it.

I don't think Mystic Eddie is one to say "I told you so.." but...

It's getting harder and harder to disagree with mystic eddie these days.....



....what am I saying?

Our major problem is that the squad is just too lightweight. We must have easily the smallest team in SL. Kearney, L'Estrange and Hall may be decent players but they're all small for their position and have made an already small squad even smaller.

We have very little go forward and struggled to hold Saints and Giants bigger players. When we do make the tackles our opponents are able to offload fairly easily. It also doesnt help that not many of our players are feisty aggresive types that play above their weight.

We might improve when the grounds get faster but we're always going to lose out in an arm wrestle.

The depressing thing is that although there is clear room for improvement, not many of our players are going to grow 3 or 4 inches and put on a couple of stones of muscle over the course of this season.

IMO we are soft.

What a poor game and Bulls performance with no sign of were the improvement is going to gome from. God help us

The skill level of the players is pathetic and it doesn't go unnoticed that when the chips are down so are the players heads. The crowd at certain stages today where laughing it was that bad. How on earth is the coach not being held accountable for the rugby we've witnessed over the last three seasons. Going to Odsal is now a thoroughly miserable experience.

The lengths some people will go to in order to get a sponsor....

Asgardian13 please do not measure peoples level of support / passion for the club / intesity by the number of posts they 'achieve'. I may not post but I read (and vote) a lot!!

Now that you mention it....

A bit harsh Ewwen. He was merely posting an opinion.

And, to be fair, he is probably right, certainly on Le'Strange. OK, I did not see him today but the general consensus on here today is that no-one played much good, but he was bloody useless last week so, up till now, I guess he is spot on.

IMO, L'estrange was just about average before we signed him and he's certainly living up to that tag IMO.

Le'strange had very limited game time in Australia with Mat Balin being there primary hooker. Putting all of our hopes on him could be quite a gamble in what is a crucial position. Equally signing a full back to play stand off is also a gamble and at this early stage im not overcome with much confidence.

On the journey back home to Birmingham where I now live I was trying to think of a worse performance I have had to endure since I first started watching Bradford Northern way back in 1964, and believe me I've stood on those terraces through thick and thin throughout the years. I suppose like most people I can accept defeat when i see the team making an effort but I cannot accept a performance like I have witnessed this afternoon. They were inept and clueless in all areas of play and sorry to say but there were periods during that game when they appeared to have thrown the towel in - and that is not on. If nothing else they have a duty to the paying fans to at least make an effort - what the hell have they been doing in pre-season? It was just the same as last year and the year before that - who is responsible for that I ask you?
PATHETIC, ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!!

Make sure he pays up this time..

Well you obviously weren't there for the Wire match at home last year, or Wigan away... or...



I travel every week pretty much home and away - 65 miles to a home match and have been watching similar performances for the last three years - you must have seen a few more than just today surely. If you can keep making the effort you'll get a couple of matches where things seem to turn around and then it'll go pear shaped again



Keep the faith.

The whole team were awful although Scruton tried hard and Sykes should be gone straight away but the display was absolutley awful, we've got the players but not the coach. Saints were pretty average today and don't look threatening this year and put thirty passed us and i've given McNamara three years and he's got to go now when we lose to Cas next week and maybe beat Salford if were lucky and then Wigan stuff us, he's a gonner.

Just looking at your next five fixtures, and (at the way your playing currently) can only see one game where you will probably win - Salford:

Cas (H)
Salford (A)
Wigan (H)
Wire (A)
Hull (A)

What the hell is going on? You've made some decent signings but seem to have gone backwards even from last season?

Exactly what i'm thinking.

Thought we played pretty well for the first 10 minutes then some dodgy decisions from Bentham gave them some momentum. After that though the capitulation was shocking.

There has been some criticism of the half backs and tbh I'm not too concerned about Orford, I think he will come good. I'm not sure about Kearney at stand off though, I never was. I was partially pacified when I saw him pre season but I don't see it. We were all talking during the game and I think he needs to on the end of some the balls that are hitting the three quarters not acting as a pivot. I think he good be a dangerous runner but his kicking was dreadful and distribution was poor.....but what are the options to replace?

Forgive me for criticising home grown talent but when the ball goes to Halley - it dies. He runs the ball up with gusto ( he may even be one of the best kick returners in SL) but the second phase move in the opposition red zone is pedestrian and predictable. I'd be tempted to try Reardon at full back and move Halley back to the wing (where he was successful with Wakefield). Please don't get me wrong on this section. I know he contributed but I question the way we use him sometimes

Sykes, one good move today that's about it

Worrincy - must have had his last chance. A bad rugby league player

Scruton however was immense, took the ball up well and put some thunderous hits in - one of his best ever games for us. Sheriffe also continued with the improved form. Menzies was a massive improvement on the giants game and looked like a strike option outwide until he was err subbed?? I do think that some of the aussies (orford and menzies) sometimes do things that are too quick for those around them and come off as mistakes. Although Orfords homage to Iestyn ( I thought that at the time Paul) were definetely for the end of year howler reel

Hall had a better game but was subbed as he looked to be getting into his stride. And I don't think having Le Strange and Godwin on at the same time works like we used to Tez and Hendo a few seasons back.

This gelling process needs to come to fruition as it looks like everyone else has done it and we're getting left behind.

The worst thing that happened today from teh club's point of view is that, having sent the dwindling fans home cursing and disillusioned so many home games last year, some will have come back for a brand new year with revived hopes and what - again, not only do we lose - that's not the point, anyone can lose against Saints - no, we perform in such a way as to make everyone go home really fed up and cursing.

What is it with us - we seem determined never to put in anything at home, and even with a largely new staff, we contrive to pis=#FFFFFF[size=50.[/sizes the home fans off no less than if that was the main game plan.

I did tell ya mate but you think I'm just trollin, when I just call it how I see it.