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| unfortunately the Muppets in charge of the RFL have been kept in their positions by the chairmen of the clubs, some of which only voted in favour of keeping like minded inept persons like themselves. Can you really take the man who gave us Billy and Bluey seriously, hardly a success story there.
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| Quote: debaser "So what are the chances of the other clubs standing up at the meeting today and asking the RFL to give us our money back?'"
maybe 5 or 6 of them would but the other 7 who are living hand to mouth will be looking after number 1
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "Did we really expect any different? This is the RFL we are talking about here....
I just hope the directors didn't waste any money paying back creditors...'"
You mean creditors that employ people, who are likely to be local and therefore possibly fans of the club. Strange attitude. If you cannot pay what you owe, you deserve what you get.
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| Back on the tupe issue, I would guess that if some logic is applied (not sure if that's achievable or not) the players tupe would be deemed invalid and their contracts returned to the previous ownership now in administration.
Tupe is only relevant from when a new company succeeds another which doesn't appear to be the case if this is all true.
If it isn't the case I would imagine the bulls playing players from another company would make them in-eligible & may lead to further sanctions?
On a slightly different skew who sanctioned the sales of Carvell and Sammut? As this if sanctioned by the RFL would indicate something surely?
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| Quote: rover49 "You mean creditors that employ people, who are likely to be local and therefore possibly fans of the club. Strange attitude. If you cannot pay what you owe, you deserve what you get.'"
Absolutely, a deduction is fair if any creditor (bar Omar who deserves all he gets/doesn't get) has suffered.
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| I really do wish the players had agreed to the proposed 10% temporary wage cut.
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| Quote: VanGinger "Spot on M@islebugs!
These and previous owners may well be muppets...or may not be
The only ones that really suffer are the fans and the players (and the game too), yet none of these have a say in who has been allowed to be in charge. The only ones who have constantly throughout this are the RFL.
At at time when a live, policed salary cap was in place, Bulls financials under scrutiny, the RFL allow all this and the above in your post, on their watch.
They may well have 'tried' to help, but they do seem to have just made things worse. What happens in most organisations when that happens? Byebye...
They sign SL up to a long term Sky deal without their knowledge, just after Premier Sports have treated us all to quality passionate commentators..
The re-sign a coach who has just failed at the world cup (great semi final, thanks Sam Burgess, but we were poor generally)
They allow the hemorrhaging of star players with no comment.. the quality of Super League is dropping, our game is under huge threat, yet as long as Nige gets his business class flights to Aus, all is well...
The muppets in charge over various times may well have been the root cause, but the only people with any power over them have failed miserably.
We, and the players, stand in solidarity as being failed by the powers that be.'"
So basically, EVERYTHING is the RFL's fault?
People need to move away from this victim mentality. The only people to blame for bradfords heartbraking financial plight is bradford themselves.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "So basically, EVERYTHING is the RFL's fault?
People need to move away from this victim mentality. The only people to blame for bradfords heartbraking financial plight is bradford themselves.'"
The fans fault? The players fault?
That's what you mean is it?
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| This is all very sad and I hope there is a resolution around the corner.
I find the rage directed towards the RFL puzzling though, my understanding is that there have been a number of concessions which have led to the Bulls still being alive (to an extent) and in Sl today.
The points deduction appears to be a rational decision in the circumstances.
The lack of funding (whilst I don't agree with the premise) was not an RFL move as far as I understand? Further, I understand that it was agreed by the Bulls as a means of avoiding other sanctions (expulsion, points deduction etc).
Then there's the takeover - which the RFL appear to be unhappy with given the proposal to buy the Bulls with its own cash (despite requesting further advances?)
I come across this sort of wrath in my professional life - everybody is the victim and its always the bank's fault, the regulator's fault, the customer's fault, the government's fault, the competitor's fault. More often than not it is down to mismanagement and it is painfully obvious that that is the case with the Bulls. That mismanagement has come home to roost and it's not the RFL's fault - they have a competition and a number of other clubs to consider.
I think it's fait to say the prospective owners knew the rules when the Oldco went into Admin? I certainly knew that meant a points deduction for the Bulls, why didn't they?
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| I cannot understand how you can blame the RFL for putting people out of a job. Surely its down to mismanagement by your board thats to blame for this? Your previous owner promised to pump money into the club (I assume thats why the RFL sanctioned the takeover last time), it didn't work, can you seriously expect them to give you ANOTHER chance?
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| Quote: VanGinger "Absolutely, a deduction is fair if any creditor (bar Omar who deserves all he gets/doesn't get) has suffered.'"
The points deduction may be fair. The £1m+ fine was always going to be the killer blow.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "This is all very sad and I hope there is a resolution around the corner.
I find the rage directed towards the RFL puzzling though, my understanding is that there have been a number of concessions which have led to the Bulls still being alive (to an extent) and in Sl today.
The points deduction appears to be a rational decision in the circumstances.
The lack of funding (whilst I don't agree with the premise) was not an RFL move as far as I understand? Further, I understand that it was agreed by the Bulls as a means of avoiding other sanctions (expulsion, points deduction etc).
Then there's the takeover - which the RFL appear to be unhappy with given the proposal to buy the Bulls with its own cash (despite requesting further advances?)
I come across this sort of wrath in my professional life - everybody is the victim and its always the bank's fault, the regulator's fault, the customer's fault, the government's fault, the competitor's fault. More often than not it is down to mismanagement and it is painfully obvious that that is the case with the Bulls. That mismanagement has come home to roost and it's not the RFL's fault - they have a competition and a number of other clubs to consider.
I think it's fait to say the prospective owners knew the rules when the Oldco went into Admin? I certainly knew that meant a points deduction for the Bulls, why didn't they?'"
The reduction in Sky money was a result of the revelation the RFL had lent money to a club. They did so in the knowledge they couldn't pay it back and did not place the club in special measures.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "So basically, EVERYTHING is the RFL's fault?
People need to move away from this victim mentality. The only people to blame for bradfords heartbraking financial plight is bradford themselves.'"
Who is Bradford? It's the fans and players and how it is any of their/our fault I have no idea.
The owners have all been and gone and the only people who had any semblance of control over them were the RFL. They have failed miserably.. maybe not through lack of trying, but the attempts were a massive failure, as were the owners. All have failed, none are above reprieve.
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| If you were buying a rugby league club out of admin would you give the creditors one penny?
Only of you wanted to use them again. The precedent now set means there's no point so why waste money?
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| the precedent is the RFL will make it up as they go along
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