All these pages of complex arguments about the ins and outs of the matter, yet to me the situation can be addressed by answering a few fairly straightforward questions :

1)Is there an accepted process that clubs who go into admin face a loss of competition points?

2) is the accepted norm 6 points with the potential to be reduced based on amount paid to creditors?

3) is the basis of the new owners appeal that they should get some points back because they intend to pay some creditors back?

4)Should the new owners avoid any loss of competition points based on force majeure when it was the new owner who forced the old business into admin in the first place?

I would hope that all reasonably minded bulls fans would answer these questions YES YES NO and NO.

5) Is it the accepted norm that all clubs that go into admin get penalised to the sum of half their Sky money?

No its just the bulls it happened to. Although wakey had to go without 2 years money to get in to SL.

OK agreed the terms as part of continued participation in SL. There is some conjecture about the rationale behind the requirement but ultimately OK knew what the score was

Wouldn't get involved if I were you mate, that aardvark will have your nads off!

The trigger was not completing the 2 years fixtures. The fixtures will, absent another disaster, be completed. In any event until the season ends, logically the trigger can't be triggered. There are other complications too.

I think OK was very misguided when he took on the RFL's not very generous offer, his decision was every bit as poor as the RFL bods who made it. Taking half of the funding from an owner who, in terms of many other club owners, was far from "rich", was a recipe for disaster, and if you'll pardon my mixed metaphors, they harvested just what had been sown.

If it's any consolation to you, the one thing the RFL's conduct in all this has shown, it is that Mr Carter, who probably got the same kind of ' helpful advice', definitely has a point. The RFL, if we accept LeagueDweeb as being, at least semi-official, is economical with the truth, disingenuous and isn't fit for purpose.

Dweeb is not from the RFL

Yes. He appears to know far too much to work for them.

So who is he? Spill!

Very categorical there, FA??

Is this a bit like Star Wars. In a couple of days Chris Caisley will appear with a bad case of Asthma and say "FA I am Dweeb"

I think dweeb may know people that work at the RFL

I think you are in one of your parallel universes with this response. No solicitor in their right mind would allow such an open ended trigger. Another f' up by OKs solicitors. As you are quite fond of asking, show me the document with this wording, pdf via PM will be fine.

It's not an open ended trigger though. Once we completed the last few fixtures, the gun would be put beyond use.

I wonder if League Dweeb could be Chris from the shop who was dismissed in "social-media-gate"?

Whomever he is, this Bermuda triangle of LD, FA and MartinWildBull is seriously boring. What a carry on.

Unlike St Johnstone's first (and deserved) senior trophy!