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| Well I'll be down at Odsal at the weekend to see the whole thing for myself. Maybe it is different this year, but we have been searched before at other grounds.
It tends to ebb and flow. Usually if there are new staff they are going to be a bit keener to stick to the rules.
Back at KR we where hardly ever searched, but on the odd occasion they have had a search of my mum's bag, with enough spare tissues for the north stand. It occours more so at GF's and CC finals. Which has been amusing as they rummaged through our bag of torn paper for throwing at the entrance of the teams.
But in the end they are there to do a job and if they are being sticklers for the rules, then so long as they are polite then it's not an issue.
I have taken soft drinks in before. So was not trying to be patronising, but if someone tells me I can't bring x,y, or z in, then that's pretty much all there is to it. I'm not going to kick up a stink over a can of coke.
I recall during particular search situation where they where not bothered about the drinks going in, just the plastic bottle caps? I'm not sure what damage can be done by a plastic bottle cap? But off they all came. Strangely when we got inside the ground there were lots of TRY / NO TRY signs, that where fashioned into paper planes. I always thought that it was a bit strange to disarm you on the way in, then rearm you with something a bit more lethal.
You could chuck plastic bottle tops at me all day without much damage, but a plane in the eye is going to hurt.
Anyway I'm sure it will be fine. Bradford has always been a good day out, I even enjoyed the A-team venture back in the day.
Is it just bags - or is it a full pat down??? Just a thought - deep pockets.
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| You are missing the point.
Its not the rules, per se.
Its the unannounced changes - real and perceived - in both the rules and the staffing that people are raising
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| Quote: Adeybull "You are missing the point.
Its not the rules, per se.
Its the unannounced changes - real and perceived - in both the rules and the staffing that people are raising'"
Exactly. What are the problems perceived, that we have never heard mention of in the last hundred years, which such changes would need to address?
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| I noticed immediately the new security in the ground and all I saw was them walking round being obnoxious to people, thinking they owned the place constantly dictating instructions to everyone. Walking round in gangs and being intimidating. Rugby League doesn't have the crowd trouble they are obviously use to in football. Someone should enlighten them
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| I think I must have been at a different game to everyone else at the weekend. I missed all this heavy handed stewarding.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "
I recall during particular search situation where they where not bothered about the drinks going in, just the plastic bottle caps? I'm not sure what damage can be done by a plastic bottle cap?'"
I think you are rather missing the point; it isn't the cap per se but the full bottle with a cap on which they see as dangerous. I assume they believe a bottle without a cap would lose most of the liquid (ie weight) and therefore do less damage if thrown.
FWIW, and only if you promise not to throw anything, I'll tel you that I usually take a couple of spare tops with me to grounds (they are virtually totally interchangeable) and as soon as I've got past the steward I put the old top on in place of the one they took off. With the double effect that it doesn't go 'flat' or spill all over my bag.
I've occasionally wondered how the catering staff would react if I took a bottle back late in the game and complained about it being flat/had some dirt in it/spilt into my bag - chances of free replacement??
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| Given the millions who attend sporting arenas around the world each year, is the evil of being injured by a flying plastic bottle documented as being a serious risk that the stadia need to expend millions on, in terms of the manpower cost of ensuring no single spectator ever has a bottle with a top? Or is it just a monumental case of overkill based on a mad misinterpretation of H&S rules?
Is there research which demonstrates that the clearly heinous risk of injury is eliminated by top removal? That sounds like palpable nonsense to me, but I think we should be told.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Given the millions who attend sporting arenas around the world each year, is the evil of being injured by a flying plastic bottle documented as being a serious risk that the stadia need to expend millions on, in terms of the manpower cost of ensuring no single spectator ever has a bottle with a top? Or is it just a monumental case of overkill based on a mad misinterpretation of H&S rules?
Is there research which demonstrates that the clearly heinous risk of injury is eliminated by top removal? That sounds like palpable nonsense to me, but I think we should be told.'"
Going back a few years (Northern were playing Widnes in a cup semi-final at Station Rd, Swinton so it was probably late seventies/early eighties) my wife had her bag searched at the turnstile by a WPC. Now she'd bought two cans of orange from the shop near home before we set off, but the WPC told her they were, "dangerous weapons" and couldn't be allowed into the ground under any circumstances -she had to drink them there and then or be thrown into the bin.
The first thing I saw on the other side of the turnstile was a stall selling "dangerous weapons", sorry, cans of orange and I admit I flipped - I went to the police control and accused the inspector of taking bribes from the stall holder (shouldn't have gone into the pub before the game....) thing is he didn't have, or wouldn't give an answer, so I, spleen vented, made my escape before he could recover from my attack on his integrity, which incidentally, he denied but didn't satisfactorily refute.
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| We didnt experience any of these searches or anything either! We are in the usual place on the pop side and it was just the usual one steward not doing very much...
Saying that i dont notice quite a few more stewards around the ground than normal, which seemed to be a bit over the top for RL
I have to agree with FA... we have always allowed supporters to bring food/drink and this should continue, if you want to buy at the concessions you do but if you dont want a burger then bring your own sandwiches! Just makes it much more of a family and enjoyable atmosphere!
Only thing the should regulate is alcohol IMO, you shouldnt be able to rock up to the gate if a crate under your arm, beer prices seem fair at the concessions and can be controlled to stop someone getting hammered and causing a nuissance this way!
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Exactly. What are the problems perceived, that we have never heard mention of in the last hundred years, which such changes would need to address?'"
Your nose is just out of joint cos they searched your man bag and found your bus pass, a rosette emblazoned Northern, a rattle, a spare colostomy bag and a copy of Fly Fishing by J R Hartley.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Your nose is just out of joint cos they searched your man bag and found your bus pass, a rosette emblazoned Northern, a rattle, a spare colostomy bag and a copy of Fly Fishing by J R Hartley.'"
Meh. You're just miffed cos you suddenly realise there's no chance now they'd let you in
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| I hope nobody tries to take the flask of hot chocolate off my Dad. It's been coming with us t'match for nearly 30 years.
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| Quote: Bulliac "Going back a few years (Northern were playing Widnes in a cup semi-final at Station Rd, Swinton so it was probably late seventies/early eighties) my wife had her bag searched at the turnstile by a WPC. Now she'd bought two cans of orange from the shop near home before we set off, but the WPC told her they were, "dangerous weapons" and couldn't be allowed into the ground under any circumstances -she had to drink them there and then or be thrown into the bin.
The first thing I saw on the other side of the turnstile was a stall selling "dangerous weapons", sorry, cans of orange and I admit I flipped - I went to the police control and accused the inspector of taking bribes from the stall holder (shouldn't have gone into the pub before the game....) thing is he didn't have, or wouldn't give an answer, so I, spleen vented, made my escape before he could recover from my attack on his integrity, which incidentally, he denied but didn't satisfactorily refute.'"
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: Bullseye "I hope nobody tries to take the flask of hot chocolate off my Dad. It's been coming with us t'match for nearly 30 years.'"
Keep a tight grip on your Tartan rug too.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I hope nobody tries to take the flask of hot chocolate off my Dad. It's been coming with us t'match for nearly 30 years.'"
Is it lucky?
They had better not try to take my lucky socks off me either. Mind you, if they are brave enough, good luck to them.
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