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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Sorry but nonsense. That would only make sense if the penalty was imposed once there was a new owner. It doesn't make any sense to impose a penalty based on the prospective "intentions" of someone who at date of penalty has absolutely no connection whatsoever with the penalised club.'"
Perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could.
My reading of the situation is that the RFL are basing the penalty on the terms of ABC's proposal, one of which will have been how they intend to deal with creditors; that will have been included in the offer they received yesterday.
If I'm right, it could suggest that they're close to agreeing a deal with ABC; the full 6 points indicates a newco is on the cards, making little or no payment to creditors and being allowed to take over the Bulls SL licence for the remainder of this franchise period.
I guess the thorny issue is the Odsal lease, which is very difficult; the RFL obfuscated themselves into a corner with their 'iconic stadia' rhetoric and as a result, ABC could find that there is very little room for negotiation on that front - if the RFL don't realise at least the purchase price, it could be a PR disaster.
Just thinking aloud really - either way up, I hope it's resolved soon; as usual, it's the fans who suffer for the failures of paid officers of both the club and the governing body.
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| its 6 points as going into administration occurred during the season it has nothing to do with debts owed etc wakey and crusaders were deducted 4 points as they went into administration in the off season IIRC
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| Quote: Adam79 "Can the 6 pts be appealled against if new owners came in and paid debts off like in wakefield crusaders case?'"
I think its reasonable to assume that the ABC consortium do not intend to do so. Remember, the RFL have seen their offer - and they've imposed the maximum 6 points having had sight of it yesterday
Seems pretty obvious what that means for the creditors
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "I think its reasonable to assume that the ABC consortium do not intend to do so. Remember, the RFL have seen their offer - and they've imposed the maximum 6 points having had sight of it yesterday
Seems pretty obvious what that means for the creditors'"
But what about if xyz consortium came in and bought the bulls with the intention of paying the debts off?
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| Quote: wolfinwidnes "its 6 points as going into administration occurred during the season it has nothing to do with debts owed etc wakey and crusaders were deducted 4 points as they went into administration in the off season IIRC'"
total cobblers. Its an automatic 6 point deduction for entering admin then RFL have discretion to reduce the penalty dependent on amount of debt repaid. Spelled out in operational rules. Crusaders and wakey going into admin in off season had nothing to do with them only getting 4 pts. Their repayment of a suitable percentage of the old companies respective debts caused the reduction in the points deductions.
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Quote: BBC "The six-point penalty is two points more than Wakefield and Crusaders were given when they went into administration and is the largest the RFL could have handed out.
Bulls interim chief executive Gary Tasker said
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18981223
This would suggest it’s relative to the proportion of debt that is to be paid off.
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Quote: BBC "The six-point penalty is two points more than Wakefield and Crusaders were given when they went into administration and is the largest the RFL could have handed out.
Bulls interim chief executive Gary Tasker said
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18981223
This would suggest it’s relative to the proportion of debt that is to be paid off.
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| Quote: vbfg "They are also, like you, s. Especially if they are basing their decisions, as you suppose, on who is in the league based on the frustrated outbursts of fans on an internet forum.'"
How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting.
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| Quote: Bubbashrimp "How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting.
And I'm sure you reposting it and helpfully underlining the offending word has really helped limit the impact.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18981223
This would suggest it’s relative to the proportion of debt that is to be paid off.'"
correct. deduction starts at max 6 pts and is then reduced at RFL's discretion according to how much debt new owners payoff.
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| Quote: jockabull "And I'm sure you reposting it and helpfully underlining the offending word has really helped limit the impact.
So it's my fault now, ever heard of the AUP?
I think you and the foul mouth who posted this should have a read of it instead of aiming your criticism at me.
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| Quote: mat "total cobblers. Its an automatic 6 point deduction for entering admin then RFL have discretion to reduce the penalty dependent on amount of debt repaid. Spelled out in operational rules. ..'"
Interesting. Which Rule?
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| Quote: Bubbashrimp "How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting.
Probably it's because the person it was directed at is a . That's my theory.
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| Quote: daveyz999 "2 points from making the play offs, with full squad still intact, we may actually pull this off!!
Would be one of our finest achievement imo, the play off cash would also be nice!'"
Echo the points above.
No reason to complain we knew we would get a point deduction of pos 6 points look unto the future now guys on 6 games left of the season and we are only 2 points from 8th, and we play hull kr on the 12th of august, and all being well that could be the game that defines our season.
Looking at the fixtures we seem to have played nearly all of the top 6, and with hudds on the slide along with hull fc we may pull of a couple of more shocks that will send us back into the 8, we need at least 4 wins from the 6 remaining games to more or less guarantee our pos in the 8. KR could win 4 of their games so we need to beat them at home on the 12th so they only win 3 and we overtake them.
Keep the faith guys, we pushed leeds all the way on friday if it wasnt for stupid errors they may not have scored 4 tries.
to quote Comander Quincy Taggart, from Galaxy quest:
"Never give up, Never surrender."
COYB!!!!
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| Quote: Bubbashrimp "So it's my fault now, ever heard of the AUP?
I think you and the foul mouth who posted this should have a read of it instead of aiming your criticism at me.'"
What is the difference between him writing it and you reposting it in terms of causing offense? Why didn't you mask the word in your quote? Read my response and you'll see I wasn't defending the original post but pointing out your stupidity in quoting it unedited. Leave it to the mods rather than getting on your high horse.
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| Obviously Bradford have a problem with some of their "fans", having just read the thread on the ladies train journey and the intimidating behaviour encountered I suppose I shouldn't be to shocked to see this kind of thing tolerated.
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