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Quote: Bully_Boxer "Well I didn't have children those 'few years' by few I take it you mean 15 plus years ago!! Call it a convenient excuse if you wish, but I'm just stating my opinion that I think that KO time for anyone with young children is a non starter. I took my boy to the London game but I wouldn't entertain trying to keep him up for the later kick off. Obviously they can't please everyone though and I see what they're attempting to do regarding the tv exposure, time will tell if it is worth it.

One other thing to consider is that players in this league are mostly part time so will likely have work the next day, which might be a consideration for any sides that might need to travel such as London? [iHopefully these things are being considered when schedule decisions are made.[/i'"

I revert to the 17th chapter of the book of Job in these matters: Blessed is he who doth not expect, for he shall not be disappointed.

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Quote: RagingBull "Correct, but we were winning then so it wasnt an issue.
Now we arent as successfull people use it as a convenient excuse.'"


Alternatively, we didn't have families then and went on the lash afterwards and weren't bothered about work.

Now we have kids and are trying to hook them in to keep the club alive it's a pain arguing with your 9 yr old having to explain why she can't come but her older sisters can. Convenient as phuq that!

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Quote: Scarey71 "Alternatively, we didn't have families then and went on the lash afterwards and weren't bothered about work.

Now we have kids and are trying to hook them in to keep the club alive it's a pain arguing with your 9 yr old having to explain why she can't come but her older sisters can. Convenient as phuq that!'"


How rediculous.
Having kids is not just a recent phenomenon
People still had young children 15 years ago when we played on Sunday nights! d040.gif
But it was Bullmania then sucessful team and lots going so it want an issue. Now its down at Dewsbury in the Championship its too late to play .

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Give over, Odsal was never swamped with families on filthy Sunday nights.

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I don't remember late Sunday slots. We had the Friday 8pm & Sat 6pm slots (both sky), then the usual 3pm Sunday. Our televised slots seemed to be more Friday than Saturday which was a shame as a curry after a Saturday evening game went down well.

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Quote: bulls2487 "The fact I and others travel 2 hours plus to get to a game means you aint getting home to 11pm on a Sunday night so thats already lost money for the club. Also plenty of parents with kids aren't gonna bother with early start Monday.
With our young fan base now you aren't going to see many who have watched us play late nights too.'"


Sorry about that. I now realise the error of my ways and fully understand that the club should be considering how the change of kick off time effects you directly, even when they have no actual say over it whatsoever!!!

As someone who regularly travelled from Scotland for over 5yrs to watch games I should really have asked the club to have considered me in their plans and asked for a 12noon kick off... silly me icon_biggrin.gifOH: icon_biggrin.gifOH: icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: Scarey71 "Alternatively, we didn't have families then and went on the lash afterwards and weren't bothered about work.

Now we have kids and are trying to hook them in to keep the club alive it's a pain arguing with your 9 yr old having to explain why she can't come but her older sisters can. Convenient as phuq that!'"


Yes that is true as we never attracted any children whatsoever in those days so it became irrelevent.

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Quote: bullinenemyland "Sorry about that. I now realise the error of my ways and fully understand that the club should be considering how the change of kick off time effects you directly, even when they have no actual say over it whatsoever!!!

As someone who regularly travelled from Scotland for over 5yrs to watch games I should really have asked the club to have considered me in their plans and asked for a 12noon kick off... silly me
Well the attendance was down 900 on the Featherstone game so take away 200 fans easily cost the club 10k+ what's more important to a club that is skint at this moment in time?

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Quote: bulls2487 "Well the attendance was down 900 on the Featherstone game so take away 200 fans easily cost the club 10k+ what's more important to a club that is skint at this moment in time?'"


You're really not getting the point are you? The club had no choice but to play the game at 6.15pm.

My point about 6pm kick offs in the past was that 15k people didn't have an issue with it then so why would it be an issue now.

God help us if we do ever get back to SL as there will be at least 3-4 games on a Thursday evening that kick off at 8pm. Folk will literally implode!!!

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Quote: bulls2487 "Well the attendance was down 900 on the Featherstone game so take away 200 fans easily cost the club 10k+ what's more important to a club that is skint at this moment in time?'"


You do realise that the RFL decided the game would kick off at 6.15 pm for the benefit of the Our League app?

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Quote: paulwalker71 "You do realise that the RFL decided the game would kick off at 6.15 pm for the benefit of the Our League app?'"


Yes but a club local to ours refused to move the KO and the game wasn't chosen for OurLeague on the back of this.

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Quote: bulls2487 "Yes but a club local to ours refused to move the KO and the game wasn't chosen for OurLeague on the back of this.'"


Right well when the time comes for this division to try and secure it's own tv rights I hope that club gets told to do one when they come looking for their slice of the pie. Short sighted thinking at its worst.

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Quote: bullinenemyland "You're really not getting the point are you? The club had no choice but to play the game at 6.15pm.

My point about 6pm kick offs in the past was that 15k people didn't have an issue with it then so why would it be an issue now.
God help us if we do ever get back to SL as there will be at least 3-4 games on a Thursday evening that kick off at 8pm. Folk will literally implode!!!'"


You know if people spoke to you the way you try patronise them you'd soon get an hair up your 4rse...

Anyway, no-one is blaming the club, just as no one is questioning the need to get the games in front of people.

The question was 'Will being on the App impact the attendance?'. The answer was yes and one of the reasons being Sunday night not being kid friendly amongst others.

That turned out to be the case just as it did years ago.

Odsal, 2003 - average was 14,776 on Sunday and 16,031 on Friday. But we played Leeds twice, once on Sunday and once on Friday. Take Leeds out of the equation and you have 14,672 on Sunday and 13,504 on a Friday.

So to Bulls2487's point the RFL really have to choose the games carefully. Move Halifax to 6.15pm and you may offset your losses but Sheffield or London and you're hitting the club hard.

Just because some of us left the kids at home and had to deal with the fall out doesn't make us lesser fans.

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Quote: Scarey71 "You know if people spoke to you the way you try patronise them you'd soon get an hair up your 4rse...

Anyway, no-one is blaming the club, just as no one is questioning the need to get the games in front of people.

The question was 'Will being on the App impact the attendance?'. The answer was yes and one of the reasons being Sunday night not being kid friendly amongst others.

That turned out to be the case just as it did years ago.

Odsal, 2003 - average was 14,776 on Sunday and 16,031 on Friday. But we played Leeds twice, once on Sunday and once on Friday. Take Leeds out of the equation and you have 14,672 on Sunday and 13,504 on a Friday.

So to Bulls2487's point the RFL really have to choose the games carefully. Move Halifax to 6.15pm and you may offset your losses but Sheffield or London and you're hitting the club hard.

Just because some of us left the kids at home and had to deal with the fall out doesn't make us lesser fans.'"


Woh woh woh... I'm not trying to patronise anyone. I'm simply making a point that it was not the clubs choice to switch to a later kick off and that in days gone we did actually have a not so disimilar timeslot on a regular basis. Sarcastic yes (thats just my humour) but if someone chooses to not attend or bring their child, that is their business and in no way would/should that detract from what kind of fan you are.

Back to the original question, Sheffield were never going to bring as many as Fev so I don't think we can really draw paralells between the two attendances. I personally thought it would be down to as little as 2k but the crowd numbers attending did surprise me.

I really am not one to defend the RFL but I think with this they are between a rock and a hard place. Stream it at 3pm Sunday and you will get compaints that those attending other fixtures can't watch, move to a Saturday and people will say they have other plans, Thursdays and Fridays are taken up with SL games on TV... so where do we all think would be a suitable day/timeslot if not Sunday late afternoon/early evening?

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Quote: bullinenemyland "
I really am not one to defend the RFL but I think with this they are between a rock and a hard place. Stream it at 3pm Sunday and you will get compaints that those attending other fixtures can't watch, move to a Saturday and people will say they have other plans, Thursdays and Fridays are taken up with SL games on TV... so where do we all think would be a suitable day/timeslot if not Sunday late afternoon/early evening?'"


Fair enough, probably me missing it!

I don't there will ever be a consensus, I remember when we tried more Friday night games it didn't work out but some loved it (including me).

I just think the RFL need to be more careful with the planning. There's so much more than at stake.

More than SL clubs we're all on a knife edge in this division. 900 paying customers is a big impact, it's also harsh on semi pro players that have to go to work the day after.

There's no ideal solution so for me, it's take the wrath of the 9 year old and head out..

Though it would be good to do a double header and do the 3pm game with and immediate follow up 5pm kick off. See how that pans out.

I couldn't make Oldham so watched on the app and was a little lost for stuff to do after, I'd have happily ploughed into the Ram's game but instead forgot it was on...Maybe even have a Crown Flatt double header when the grounds firm up...

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