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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Why would the RFL "hang you out to dry" when they have previously bent over backwards to help you out with Iconicgate.'"
Richard Lewis > Nigel Wood.
Richard Lewis was a man who constantly put his head above the parapet to help and support our game and clubs to be the best they could be.
Nigel Wood is a buffoon who simply wants to keep hold of his job. His idea to do that is to shore up support from the lower leagues by selling them a pigeon they think is the maltese falcon, then devolve any and all responsibility from himself so no blame can be laid at his door.
Richard Lewis made sure that the game kept a major asset in Odsal. Nigel Wood has ensured a contraction of the league. Richard Lewis made sure that if Bradford went bust and Odsal was lost. Some money would come back in to the game. Nigel Wood made sure Bradford went bust. Richard Lewis made sure clubs had time and space to grow. Nigel Wood has most likely, all but destroyed one of our major clubs.
Richard Lewis is a renowned sports administrator who has chaired organisations many times larger than the RFL, like Sport England and the All England club, putting on world famous sporting events like Wimbledon.
Nigel Wood took halifax RL to the brink of destruction, now works with Ralph Rimmer. Put on a good World Cup organised in large by Sally Bolton. Promptly lost her.
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
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| Quote: kinleycat "Lesson 1. We paid off some of our creditors rather than spending it on players, hence the four points.'"
Lesson 2. They got over a million pounds more in funding to start with.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "Q. What goes, clip clop clip clop bang bang clippety clop clippety clop clippety clop?
A. A drive-by shooting in Wakefield.'"
I'd get some more expensive crackers this year if I were you.
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| Quote: kinleycat "Lesson 1. We paid off some of our creditors, hence the four points.
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And we didn't? You know this how?
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Others/combustable.gif Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012.
By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know:
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "I'd get some more expensive crackers this year if I were you.
Looks that way.
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| Quote: kinleycat "Lesson 1. We paid off some of our creditors rather than spending it on players, hence the four points.
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Lesson 3 - don't make a fool of yourself with statements that do not stand up to scrutiny.
Re lesson 3:
1 - When your lot went bust, Glover seemingly said he would pay off SOME creditors (I gather it was maybe 10%, and NONE of the £750k debt due to HMRC), so - within days - the RFL mitigated the 6 points to 4. I understand well before Glover actually paid anyone.
2 - When OKB went into administration, Moore & co had stated they intended to settle with the creditors. Subsequent documentation and statements strongly indicates that the intent was to settle with ALL the trade creditors. And I have seen nothing to suggest the RFL knew nothing of this. Indeed, I was personally told this was the intention ON THE DAY. HMRC were owed about 1/3 of what you lot owed HMRC, btw. Yet the RFL took several weeks, not days, and then deducted 6 points ANYWAY - even though material had been issued stating creditors would be paid.
3 - After the administration, BB2014 did not spend a CENT on players. So, can you explain what "We paid off some of our creditors rather than spending it on players" means? In the context of why you were decucted only 4 points, days after the adminstration order? Whereas bulls were deducted 6 points, weeks after?
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| Quote: Adeybull "Lesson 3 - don't make a fool of yourself with statements that do not stand up to scrutiny.
Re lesson 3
Dont stand up to scrutiny? You are the one still banging on after an independent review has gone against everything you have been saying.
How did the independent panel view all your misgivings? By ratifying the RFLs ban.
I.e they have acted accordingly and you had no proof to the contrary.
Seriously you need to take time out, because you and a few others are starting to embarass yourselves and your other supporters who can accept some reality.
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| Quote: debaser "The point you replied to is that the ruling is the only fair one. I am asking if you think it is fair then that ALL clubs get six points for admin? Is it black and white?
It is either six points for admin or it's not surely?'"
No I didn't if I had I'd be replying to myself
What I replied to is your accusation that Wakefield fans are paranoid. You then follow that up with your own paranoia - have you got any of this yet.
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| Quote: kinleycat "Dont stand up to scrutiny? You are the one still banging on after an independent review has gone against everything you have been saying.
How did the independent panel view all your misgivings? By ratifying the RFLs ban.
I.e they have acted accordingly and you had no proof to the contrary.
Seriously you need to take time out, because you and a few others are starting to embarass yourselves and your other supporters who can accept some reality.'"
The Tribunal were asked to rule on whether Force Majeure applied or not. Green's statement that they determined there was not any evidence to rule on is the decision they made, not whether 6 points was the right penalty. They had a yes/no question to answer, if they answered yes, the discussion MAY have gone to what was the appropriate penalty, although in my view if they had ruled a Force Majeure situation existed, it would have been all 6 back.
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| Quote: kinleycat "Dont stand up to scrutiny? You are the one still banging on after an independent review has gone against everything you have been saying.
How did the independent panel view all your misgivings? By ratifying the RFLs ban.
I.e they have acted accordingly and you had no proof to the contrary.
Seriously you need to take time out, because you and a few others are starting to embarass yourselves and your other supporters who can accept some reality.'"
Yep but remember we are the paranoid ones not the [i[sizeworld owes us a living because we used to be good[/size[/i Bulls.
I've never seen a human being more in denial than Adybull, it's quite sad.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Lesson 3 - don't make a fool of yourself with statements that do not stand up to scrutiny.
Re lesson 31 - When your lot went bust, Glover seemingly said he would pay off SOME creditors (I gather it was maybe 10%, and NONE of the £750k debt due to HMRC), so - within days - the RFL mitigated the 6 points to 4. I understand well before Glover actually paid anyone.
2 - When OKB went into administration, Moore & co had stated they intended to settle with the creditors. Subsequent documentation and statements strongly indicates that the intent was to settle with ALL the trade creditors. And I have seen nothing to suggest the RFL knew nothing of this. Indeed, I was personally told this was the intention ON THE DAY. HMRC were owed about 1/3 of what you lot owed HMRC, btw. Yet the RFL took several weeks, not days, and then deducted 6 points ANYWAY - even though material had been issued stating creditors would be paid.
3 - After the administration, BB2014 did not spend a CENT on players. So, can you explain what "We paid off some of our creditors rather than spending it on players" means? In the context of why you were decucted only 4 points, days after the adminstration order? Whereas bulls were deducted 6 points, weeks after?'"
Think that scenario only exists in your mind, please show me any public documentation to back up this claim - thanks.
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| Quote: Adeybull "
1 - When your lot went bust, Glover seemingly said he would pay off SOME creditors (I gather it was maybe 10%, and NONE of the £750k debt due to HMRC), so - within days - the RFL mitigated the 6 points to 4. I understand well before Glover actually paid anyone.
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In fairness, IIRC Wakefield were shafted to an extent by the RFL's complicity in the Crusaders fiasco that was happening around that time, which resulted in their agreed repayment plan with HMRC being cancelled and a demand made for the full amount immediately.
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| Quote: kinleycat "And they did all that for you and yet some of your more illustious and vocal supporters still think that after all that and an independent panel sifting through what ever cig pack backs they could find in the red hall bins, that they have been hard done by.
If they (the RFL) had dealt with the club properly at the point you have illistrated you would very possibly have gone out of SL there and then, baring in mind how some supporters are acting now after an independent review of sorts how do you think that would have been received.
The fact that it was double bent from day one makes it hard for anyone to assume now everything is on the level, but you have the results from the panel to at least attempt to assure you it is.
I would imagine the RFL big wigs are wondering why on earth they threw you that life belt in the first place.
I'm sorry so many people are so upset, i would have been if i were in your shoes, hell we have more chips than Harry Ramsdens, but you have the result, now you have to move on.'"
And I agree, if they hadn't bought the lease (to reinforce, they bought an asset, they didn't hand over cash as a gift), the outcome would have been very different, would it have been better, who the f**k knows! As in comedy timing is everything, and probable relegation along with new promotion play off system means our timing stinks!
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| Kinleycatforce majeure[/i. Nothing to do with the level of the points deduction.
I wonder how many other people, over the years, who have fought for answers so they can see if justice has actually been done, were told - by people in whose interest it was - to just "accept some reality"? You lot went apoplexic when there were suggestions that an injustice might be done across YOUR club. But you would deny the right of supporters of THIS club to continue to question what has happened, absent any definitive proof that an injustice has not been done? Hypocrite.
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| Quote: BullCharge "I heard a rumour that when Wakefield went into admin, they were only deducted four points, and that they got to keep their full share of the sky money.'"
Rumours eh, we heard that your club were getting all the six points' back, just goes to show that you should not listen to all you hear on the Bulls board.
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