I think there is a chicken and egg situation hatching (sorry!!) if Bullbuilder members were to vote and take this forward, I think your membership would bloosom. Expecting people to join up to effect the vote may be a big ask IMO

I know all about membership apathy.... people want to be heard and moan but do little to effect change........

can I ask Bullbuilder give it some consideration without being a member yet?

Bullbuilder member - and I think all should be able to contribute to this discussion, member or not. I very much appreciate that the something-must-be-done crowd are very good at volunteering other people to bust a gut on their behalf. However, I think there are possibilities that need discussion.

Up to this point, I think Bullbuilder has been a great success but its ambitions had been relatively modest and I think that at least partly explains why some have not joined who are now showing an interest.

I think the pledge shows that Bulls fans could put together a significant lump sum and continuing payments in order to make buying the Bulls a more attractive proposition. How this would be organised and what we would receive in return is the question.

I'm sorry if Adey, MDF and other Bullbuilder committee members feel underappreciated and criticised and I sincerely hope that is not how I come across. But I think the possibilities need to be explored and Bullbuilder will always feature in those discussions because of its good work up to this point.

Understandable. I asked in another response whether anyone really thought it was likely that SLE would (for example) stump up £1.5m to the administrator for the Bulls, but then sell the club on at a big loss. But if this is strictly true, then the whole attraction for a new buyer (buying the club debt-free) is gone, if in reality the purchase price is loaded to include the same sum as equals the old debt.


Agreed. Although interestingly I just did a back of a fag packet scribble and £2m divided by 5,000 fans is "just" £500 apiece. I am highly dubious if it could be done, even if there were people to run it, but the numbers are, I suppose, sort of do-able - if you think £2m would be enough.


Fair comment.

I'm a Bullbuilder member and a former committee member of BISA (now defunct). In my experience there is often a lot talk from the fringes about what a supporters group should and shouldn't do but very little actual committment to give time and actually do things. If there isn't a major issue to deal with people can drift away and dealing with mundane matters isn't very sexy or exciting. Before you know it you get taken for granted.

Any movement toward Bullbuilder looking to run a club as a co-op in the lower leagues would I'm sure demand a heck of a lot more from people - not just a weekly committee meeting to attend or a few hours on an evening. We would need volunteers, with the right expertise and with a willingness to give up plenty of hours during the week and sacrifice most weekends too. Even then it'd probably not get off the ground without a cash injection and a place to play.

why the lower leagues?? I'll bet that the RFL would wholely welcome fan ownership in the SL as an alternate business model to the sugar daddy one, it is SUSTAINABLE in the long term, not on the whim of a loaded bloke!

Why would there be volunteers? if the maths is right and the books are balanced I'm pretty sure we could attract alot of talent (management/administration etc...) who would work for less than they would potentially get in the commercial world - Bullbuilders committee is made up of such people already doing it for nothing - offer them a reasonable salary and hey presto......

Right off to join Bullbuilder to make some noise

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I too am a member of BB, I unfortunately do not have the time to run or aid this, but.. i would make a financial contribution.
I think that as Adeybull says, if this thing needs to get off the ground and then be successful then 1. it initially needs people to help run it but 2. also just as important, it would need people to donate money.
Like i say, i can only do one of the above.
Hope i'm not shot for not being able to help run it.

On the contrary! You recognise what is required, recognise what you are able to conbtribute, and in what form, and what you are not, and are prepared to deliver on that.

Gets you a medal, not an appointment with the firing squad, in my book!

From each according to his ability, and all that...

There is a certain element of resignation creeping in - and that's probably not missplaced - but with the clock ticking isn't worth at least seeing what is possible?

So trying to summarise:

1) If the BB members agree in principal we could see how much time and money would be offered by fans. So would it make sense for BB to get its members to vote then at least there would be a clear position. I would fully understand there is nervousness about the amount of work which could ensue but would hope that if the colours were nailed to the mast new member and contributions would come in, if not then we know where we stand.
2) If item 1) was affirmative then it's definately or get off the pot time and really need I would guess 2000 or more people willing to commit time and money.
3) See how much could be collected ( or at least promised) from fans as this would really show what the realistic expectation and objective would be for 2013. I am happy to be corrected by would assume anything less than say £250k would mean starting at the bottom and not likely to get much interest from other parties? but if you started to edge over the last pledge total then maybe other investors could be drawn in and a shot could be made at higher status?

I for one would be willing to do some donkey work though have a full time job commitment for a few more years, and could stump a a few more £'oo - or a bit more if Mrs Relic could be kept in the dark! I just have this feeling that if the fans don't move from debating to rallying round constructively in short order then the chance will pass very quickly and another part of Bradford's heritage will slip under the waves.

Sorry, only just noticed this bit. Big from me!

Re the hardship fund collection, if someone can point me in the direction of a bucket, I could take the hospitality opportunity (see Sponsor A Player 2012 thread) to wander around the Coral Stand and extract from the prawn sandwich persons Or I might persuade Shania to do it given she's marginally better looking than even I am . ..