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| Quote madasmcmadammcmad2="madasmcmadammcmad2"Brough should be in the England squad,simple as that imo.He has been the best stand off all season.Can't for the life of me understand why he is not.'"
Because he decided in June to play for Scotland?
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| To be honest I think Brough is probably the most overrated player in the game at the moment, just my opinion of course...
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"To be honest I think Brough is probably the most overrated player in the game at the moment, just my opinion of course...'"
ha ha ---man of steel overrated.
Just going back to sinfield,my point about playing him at No6/half back is that the opposition know he his just going to pass the ball on or kick on the last tackle,he's never gonna do a Roger Millward/Alan Hardisty and dummy then go the length of the field which means he's easier to defend against as they can just lay off him.
Just my thoughts.
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| Quote madasmcmadammcmad2="madasmcmadammcmad2"ha ha ---man of steel overrated.'"
What? He's had one good season and that makes him immune from criticism? Brough is a similar type of player to Sammut. When he hits the ground running he's devastating and can win games by himself. If he doesn't, then he's largely anonymous.
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| That's the dilemma for the coach: relaible - but predicatable, or unpredicatable but erratic. We don't seem to have the Millwards/Hardistys with the all round game and individual skills to call on now - or maybe that reflects the way defences are more tightly drilled, and the increased number of substitutes in the modern game mean you don't get to run at tired players as much. Have to admit McNamara has probably got this call right. Just hope the Burgess clan don't decide to enter their own family team this year!
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| Quote madasmcmadammcmad2="madasmcmadammcmad2"Just going back to sinfield,my point about playing him at No6/half back is that the opposition know he his just going to pass the ball on or kick on the last tackle,he's never gonna do a Roger Millward/Alan Hardisty and dummy then go the length of the field which means he's easier to defend against as they can just lay off him.
Just my thoughts.'"
Which is a fair point. However I would counter that with the idea that the reason Leeds work so well is that they have the organiser, the puppeteer, in Sinfield. The one that guides the team around, dictates the plays and organises very very well. Then they have the flashy, off-the-cuff, break out of nowhere halfback to complement that, in Danny McGuire (or Burrow when McGuire is out). There's a reason they chose not to play Sinfield & Sutcliffe together in the halves this year, instead swapping Burrow and Sinfield around between halves and hooker, to accomodate Sutcliffe (who is in a very similar mould to Sinfield).
Addy plays a similar role for us when he's at 6 (albeit not as well as Sinfield), which I believe is one of the reasons we looked better this year with Addy & Sammut, rather than when Gale was in the side.
I have absolutely no problem playing Sinfield at 6 for England. I think it's the right thing to do. But the 7 that plays with him MUST be one of those players like you describe. If you played another "organiser" type half, then exactly what you describe will happen. Which is why the most likely combo will be Sinfield & Chase I think.
As far as Brough goes, I agree with the idea of him being like Sammut. When Brough hits form, he's outstanding. And he's hit form in most games this year, hence the accolades. He does have that inconsistency though, where if he starts off badly, he either goes missing, or completely messes everything up. It's that same dilemma of whether you want to risk him having a bad game and you losing because of it, in order to have that chance of him having a good game and winning you the match almost single handedly.
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| Can someone name me one British half back from the last 30 years that has dominated every game he has played in?
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Can someone name me one British half back from the last 30 years that has dominated every game he has played in?'"
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Can someone name me one British half back from the last 30 years that has dominated every game he has played in?'"
that person hasn't been born yet who dominated every game he played in and you can go back to the beginning of time,but below are some great half backs of the last 50 years who dominated a great % of the games they played in:-
andy gregory,shaun edwards,alan hardisty,roger millward,,dave topliss,lewis jones,ellery hanley,alan hepworth,alex murphy,steve nash,barry seabourne,jonathan davis,david watkins,john woods,nigel stephenson,paul harkin,tommy smales.......
I could go on.Britain has produced some GREATS,that's for sure.
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| All great players madas and of course you are right nobody can dominate every single game they play in, in any sport.
Also you cannot dominate behind a beaten pack,so you would need other people to be on top of their game to enable you to be on top of your game
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| Quote Wooden Stand="Wooden Stand"Reg Bowden'"
Welcome to the forum Reg.
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| Quote madasmcmadammcmad2="madasmcmadammcmad2"that person hasn't been born yet who dominated every game he played in and you can go back to the beginning of time,but below are some great half backs of the last 50 years who dominated a great % of the games they played in:-
andy gregory,shaun edwards,alan hardisty,roger millward,,dave topliss,lewis jones,ellery hanley,alan hepworth,alex murphy,steve nash,barry seabourne,jonathan davis,david watkins,john woods,nigel stephenson,paul harkin,tommy smales.......
I could go on.Britain has produced some GREATS,that's for sure.'"
No one is arguing that we haven't produced great half backs. In the last 30 years only Gregory & Edwards have dominated for large parts of the season & that is mainly because they were in an all-conquering Wigan side. Andy Gregory, the best scrum half of my generation, I saw him have countless ordinary games for Widnes, Warrington & Leeds. Edwards, similarly, wouldn't have been half the player in an ordinary side. He had a unique ability to sniff out an opportunity but he wasn't a creator & would have had a fraction of the chances in a poorer team. Brough, along with Long, is the best natural scrum half we have produced since then.
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