I am? I was just trying to follow the through line of your argument. Sadly, you didn't supply one yourself, so I had to infer it, in good faith, from your posts.



So either coaching makes no difference, in which case getting rid of FC would make no difference, or it does make a difference and things are massively different from last year. Which?



Adversity brings out the best in people, but it isn't sustainable. If it was, all teams would be constantly attempting to get to deeper and deeper levels of disarray...



I'm not sure I can give you that. You've implied that it both definitely is and definitely isn't. It can't also be 'perhaps'.



Clearly...





Except for the fact that there appears to be plenty of heart and pride, and we just look knackered.

And oh so much cash and such a tempting organisation to become a part of... What planet are you on man?

I'm just glad that sacking McNamara solved all our problems.

If Hood had grown some balls earlier we might not have got in this mess. I always said it would get to the stage where we couldn't afford not to sack him due to the fans dropping off in such numbers.

Err, no we lost him before the last game of the season. Which is when we came out of administration and by which point any player worth signing up has already got a new club to go to.

The fact is, clubs begin their recruitment at this time of year so last year cos we were in the , we could not recruit. We couldn't even put feelers out to players as there was no guarantee of their even being a club for them to come to.

Eddie, did you actually go to the game yesterday? It's not heart that's lacking from the Bulls, it's brains. We throw the ball about when we should be playing conservatively and we stick the ball up our jumper when we should be playing an expansive game.

Yesterday's game should that we don't know how to play the elements. There was a strong wind blowing down from the Rooley lane end. Widnes used that in the 2nd half by kicking early and turning us round every time, wearing the players down.

Though I will admit that our defence at times yesterday was so bad as to be none existent.

Gates were on the slide from 2004 onwards. But maybe those folk had preemptive knowledge of the horror McNamara was to inflict on the club.

Yeah but we didn't have any money. I think this has been mentioned before.

Sometimes teams get a role on and become unstoppable. The defeat by Wigan in the play offs, the win at Halifax in 97 come to mind.

But the last 20 mins yesterday were grim. The contrast in enthusiasm, urgency and self belief from the first 20mins was scary. Once Widnes had taken a 4 point lead we never for a single second looked like mounting a response. It really did look like the team had completely lost hope of winning the game.

That was not the point I was making. Again, as you well know.

Is that not during the season then?

What is wrong with the organisation then?

Anyone think Cummins has lost the dressing room? We look like a ragbag of a team, unsettled and lacking direction.

We really needed play off money and extra income from an extended cup run, neither of which have been delivered.

Scratchy head time for Omar and Gerry I think.