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| Thanks for the detailed response Adey I am grateful.
Good luck & you have 2 players in Gaskell & Sidlow who will do well in 2014.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Yes.
Had I been the RFL, I'd have maybe said something like "right, we are going to pick a match and a player, sort of at random but similar in both cases to the one in question. And a time. And not tell anyone the details. Except the referee of the match. And then, at the appointed time, you got said man sent to the sin bin. Something like that, anyway. And, if he was just about tro score or stop a try at that point...well so be it. ?'"
Good job you're not the RFL then!
You come out with various nonsense like this and then don't like it when not everybody kow-tows to you as the barrack room lawyer!
I'm sure the majority of Bradford fans would think themselves lucky to get away with just a 6 points deduction. And then move on.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Good job you're not the RFL then!
You come out with various nonsense like this and then don't like it when not everybody kow-tows to you as the barrack room lawyer!
I'm sure the majority of Bradford fans would think themselves lucky to get away with just a 6 points deduction. And then move on.'"
They should relegate bradford it's what they did with Rangers! The RFL should grow a pair!
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| This had to happen and it happened for the right reasons too. If it hadn't the club would have gone out of business leaving a lot of people including the council out of pocket.
This isn't a case of a club running up debts and walking away from it's liabilities which is what the points deduction etc are in fact designed to discoverge. Hopefully the RFL see sense in that.
Oh and if I read another comment from an Internet financial commentator incorrectly saying a CVA means everyone gets back every penny I'll go on an embarrassing emotion driven rant like wooden spoon.
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| This is how it appears to me from what I have read (maybe wrong)
Ok bulls have known this was coming for some time, which is why the shares were not transferred at the previous attempt. Probably Khan trying to minimise his losses, which has led to further debt.
The administration seems to be a legal tool to remove BBRLFC from OKbulls control as quickly as possible. Regardless of any financial loss or not the holding company of BBRLFC entered administration and it will be seen as such by fans of every other SL club. To think other fans, especially Wakey, will not be angry if the Bulls don't get a deduction is just deluded. Also I do believe the Bulls have a gained a financial advantage over Wakey by following this course of action and therefore deserve a points deduction of 2-4 points. I think 2 would be fairer given the effort the new directors made to transfer the company before this happened.
Either way we need a full explanation from the RFL to accompany whatever decision they make and full clarification of the penalties of administration.
It is shocking that this has happened again, I hope these new guys can steer you in the right direction and the Bulls become a big club again. I feel for the Bulls fans but equally for the Wakey fans.
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| Quote: cymraegrhino "This is how it appears to me from what I have read (maybe wrong)
Ok bulls have known this was coming for some time, which is why the shares were not transferred at the previous attempt. Probably Khan trying to minimise his losses, which has led to further debt.
The administration seems to be a legal tool to remove BBRLFC from OKbulls control as quickly as possible. Regardless of any financial loss or not the holding company of BBRLFC entered administration and it will be seen as such by fans of every other SL club. To think other fans, especially Wakey, will not be angry if the Bulls don't get a deduction is just deluded. Also I do believe the Bulls have a gained a financial advantage over Wakey by following this course of action and therefore deserve a points deduction of 2-4 points. I think 2 would be fairer given the effort the new directors made to transfer the company before this happened.
Either way we need a full explanation from the RFL to accompany whatever decision they make and full clarification of the penalties of administration.
It is shocking that this has happened again, I hope these new guys can steer you in the right direction and the Bulls become a big club again. I feel for the Bulls fans but equally for the Wakey fans.'"
Yes you are wrong miles off in fact
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| Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Yes you are wrong miles off in fact'"
oh dear
It should be six points then
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| Quote: cymraegrhino "This is how it appears to me from what I have read (maybe wrong)
Ok bulls have known this was coming for some time, which is why the shares were not transferred at the previous attempt. Probably Khan trying to minimise his losses, which has led to further debt.
The administration seems to be a legal tool to remove BBRLFC from OKbulls control as quickly as possible. Regardless of any financial loss or not the holding company of BBRLFC entered administration and it will be seen as such by fans of every other SL club. To think other fans, especially Wakey, will not be angry if the Bulls don't get a deduction is just deluded. Also I do believe the Bulls have a gained a financial advantage over Wakey by following this course of action and therefore deserve a points deduction of 2-4 points. I think 2 would be fairer given the effort the new directors made to transfer the company before this happened.
Either way we need a full explanation from the RFL to accompany whatever decision they make and full clarification of the penalties of administration.
It is shocking that this has happened again, I hope these new guys can steer you in the right direction and the Bulls become a big club again. I feel for the Bulls fans but equally for the Wakey fans.'"
Completely agree with you, unfortunately even if we got the max 6 points deduction SOME Wakey fans and one or two others still won't be satisfied as they are expect us to be demoted into the Penine leagues. If we're not relegated to the pennine leagues expect the "iconic" posts which are as pathetic as the one above from
Macc bully...
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| Quote: Bull Mania "Completely agree with you, unfortunately even if we got the max 6 points deduction SOME Wakey fans and one or two others still won't be satisfied as they are expect us to be demoted into the Penine leagues. If we're not relegated to the pennine leagues expect the "iconic" posts which are as pathetic as the one above from
Macc bully...'"
Without reading all of this thread, the reason that Wakey fans (I'm assuming) feel aggrieved and are wanting relegation is that we were told that we were 30 minutes from admin, Michael Carter our new owner inquired about the consequences, he has posted when questioned about the RL's reply, "I was told if we went into admin that we would be relegated to Championship 1 immediately!"
Now why should we feel that Bradford have had preferential treatment?
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| Quote: JINJER "Without reading all of this thread, the reason that Wakey fans (I'm assuming) feel aggrieved and are wanting relegation is that we were told that we were 30 minutes from admin, Michael Carter our new owner inquired about the consequences, he has posted when questioned about the RL's reply, "I was told if we went into admin that we would be relegated to Championship 1 immediately!"
Now why should we feel that Bradford have had preferential treatment?'"
As I've stated elsewhere; MC has been unusually quiet since this development and really owes it to Wakefield fans to publicly clarify the point you've made. It's secrecy that is causing a lot of the ill feeling between fans so come on MC lets have a statement.
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| I think for your average Bradford fan on the street, this new board are viewed as suits sitting at the top table, the same as the last regime, and the regime before that, and the regime before that.
A lot of work needs doing to regain the fans trust in the correct way.
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| IF the RFL said that Wakey would be relegated if they went into administration, then it would be preferential treatment to Bradford.
However, I'm not certain we can take the word of one man at a supporters meeting. Lots gets said at supporters meetings as I'm sure some Bradford supporters can confirm, ends up being total and utter Bull (no pun intended).
I do think the question should be raised to the RFL where Wakey threatened with relegation and if so why???
I can only think that there are 2 possible outcomes.
1. They were not threatened with relegation and this is a story that has been put out there without any confirmation from the other side.
2. Wakey were going to go into Administration to avoid paying HMRC which the RFL has taken a tough line on. The difference here seems to be that the new company has agreed to work with creditors (I would assume this means agreed to pay the creditors including HMRC).
However I do think the operational rules should clearly state these penalties and from what I have read today they do not.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "How utterly arrogant of the Bradford Bulls directors
Don't know what you are saying my friend> The administration or the calling in of the insolvency practitioner, as I dont know which. Was reported by a RFL spokesperson that this was the only course of action to resolve the impasse, in this situation that the proposed new owners found themselves faced with. For example how could the new incumbents pat any wages or sign any cheques to suppliers if they weren't the owners or appointed directors by the owner or major shareholders in the business ?
Personally I don't know where you had the information that they (new owners) were not paying anything for the club, which would be what that statement ,you rely on, would imply.
I think the Newco, have had to purchase the club for possibly an undisclosed sum to the administrator, which in turn would be added to the administrators overall financial pot, to pay off all the debts left by the previous owner.
What is left for secured or unsecured creditors is not known by anyone except the practitioner and the defunct company of OK Bulls Ltd.
Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd was set up last year as a non trading company at that time, so no problem there.
As for not selling Players, well again what are you saying?
If a club has managed to fund the wages of it's only real asset, ie Playing Staff, just what has that got to do with you, it is up to them how it pans out. So suggest you butt out on that one! They have said that arrangements are in force to deal with all the creditors, so what more do you wish for?
As for the points deduction. that's all you want is it not. you dont know why, you just do, bit childish really aren't you?
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| Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "As I've stated elsewhere; MC has been unusually quiet since this development and really owes it to Wakefield fans to publicly clarify the point you've made. It's secrecy that is causing a lot of the ill feeling between fans so come on MC lets have a statement.'"
Absolutely. It sounds so odd to me but if he was exaggerating ever so slightly for his audience he's not really in a position to retract now is he.
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| Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "As I've stated elsewhere; MC has been unusually quiet since this development and really owes it to Wakefield fans to publicly clarify the point you've made. It's secrecy that is causing a lot of the ill feeling between fans so come on MC lets have a statement.'"
MC got enough problems just lately with the reduction in stadium capacity with taking on bitching about some club that has fallen from stardom and is now on the verge of extinction.
he's fast learning to just get on with what's in front of him rather than behind him, the clubs aim is to improve on last seasons position a deal with each and every problem as they arrive
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