Any fan of any large club that played a high profile match in the 80 s is fully aware of what used to happen, a large number of Liverpool fans turned up without tickets, the options to them were either steal a ticket from a fellow fan, bribe a turnstyle operator or steward, or finally ' force ' entry

It is those fans that caused the Hillsborough disaster , what happened afterwards was completely wrong, but it wasnt the cause , I also await the day when 1 single fan stands up and says " I was there that day without a ticket, I am partly to blame, I am sorry

Not according to the Taylor report or the independant panels review so i take it you were there and saw all these large numbers arrive then but no one involved that day did ?

Having attended many similar matches of that era I am fully aware of what happend

At that time mass hooliganism was rife too so does that mean its ok to accuse the fans of this too???

Completely irrelivant

=#0040FFFACTS:

Over preceding years, police custom and practice had evolved in response to crowd management issues unique to FA Cup semi-finals, particularly filtering access to the concourse through ticket-checking on the approaches, directing incoming spectators away from the central pens when they were estimated to be near capacity, and closing the tunnel when capacity was estimated to have been reached. None of these practices appear to have been recorded and none formed part of the Operational Order or the police briefings before the 1989 Semi-Final.

the SYP Police Federation, supported informally by the SYP Chief Constable, sought to develop and publicise a version of events that focused on several police officers’ allegations of drunkenness, ticketlessness and violence among a large number of Liverpool fans. This extended beyond the media to Parliament. Yet, from the mass of documents, television and CCTV coverage disclosed to the Panel there is no evidence to support these allegations other than a few isolated examples of aggressive or verbally abusive behaviour clearly reflecting frustration and desperation

Consistent with Lord Justice Taylor’s findings, the Panel found no evidence among the vast number of disclosed documents and many hours of video material to verify the serious allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans. There was no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium and force entry

In evidence to the Taylor Inquiry a journalist, David Walker, described the 1987 policing arrangements.10 They included ‘snake queues’ from the Leppings Lane turnstiles, ‘two or three abreast … so there was no surge on particular turnstile entrances’. The queues were ‘probably 30 or 40 yards’ long. Further back, on the street approach were ‘Police checkpoint barriers to check that you had a ticket before you actually got around the perimeter of the ground’.

On the day of the disaster, the HSE calculated that had Gate C not been opened it would have taken until 3.40pm to admit all 10,100 spectators with tickets for the Leppings Lane terrace, 40 minutes after the scheduled kick-off

The HSE estimated that on the day of the disaster 1,576 people entered pen 3. This was approximately double the maximum safe capacity.61 The HSE found no evidence that this was due to fans without tickets entering the ground. It calculated that [size=200the highest number of entrants, either through the turnstiles or Gate C, was 10,124, just 24 over the designated capacity of the Leppings Lane terrace[/size.

[size=150The video showed the period immediately before Gate C was opened. Its opening did not result in a ‘mad rush or stampede as press referred to’.
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Documentary evidence considered in Chapter 2 does not confirm a significant number of ticketless fans, and CI Bettison responded to the meetings that ‘Inspector King of Scotland Yard was asked to find out whether there was a conspiratorial effort – he could not find any direct evidence that Liverpool supporters held this conspiratorial view, apart from three isolated statements … in the pub’. [size=150Nor is there any evidence in the disclosed documents to confirm that there was a surge of badly behaved late arrivals, with or without tickets.[/size
Consistent with Lord Justice Taylor’s findings, the Panel found no evidence among the vast number of disclosed documents and many hours of video material to verify the serious allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans. There was no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium and force entry

I don't need to comment on your sick views.

what amazes me is that even now people continue to blame fans, 2 full reports into the disaster have BOTH confirmed fans were not to blame for what happened, so why do folk insist on still tryin to lay blame onto them? its not a matter of opinions or wat people think may have happened, the truth is out there for all to see and to continue to accuse fans of wrong doing is a disgrace in my eyes!

Correct. This is the way it was in those days. Anyone who went to these type of football matches in the eighties knows the score.
You're wasting your time trying to get through to FA though because he's always right in his own little PC world.

I wasn't aware FA wrote the report and personally forced apologies from Chief Constables, the other FA, the Mayor of London, Kelvin McEnzie and the Prime Minister.

Wow.

I think you're getting your own personal experience confused with a specific sequence of events. I can understand as having spent deeply unpleasant times around Leeds United supporters in the 80s my view on anything wihich involves them is seriously jaundiced.
However, the Taylor Report says there were ticketes on sale at Anfield the day before the game. The stories about Liverpool fans mugging other Liverpool fans for tickets came out after the recent European Cup victory. I don't think there's any evidence of this happening at Hillsborough.

Cant say I remember many if any occassions of ticketless fans forcing entry en masse in the 80's. Trying to gain entry without a ticket ("jibbing") certainly went on, it still does. But it always seemed to be one of those activities that was more effective when carried out individually in amongst fans with tickets. Doing it in large numbers and drawing attention to yourself wouldnt have been a good idea.

Some years after the disaster (and don't forget it WAS a disaster) I moved next to the Hillsborough ground at Parkside Road opposite the park. Many of my neighbours were there on the awful day. To a man and woman they agreed that there was no evidence of misbehaviour by either set of fans on the day-- and believe me they had seen many examples of bad behaviour at football matches and dreaded the arrival of certain clubs. So I have no personal experience of that day but as someone who went to live there believing the official version of events, my neighbours descriptions caused me to have doubts about what we had been told.
It is not anyone being PC-- it is the truth that has emerged after all these years.