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Quote: Indomitable "When I lived in Bradford I cannot think of one school which played rugby league, and I believe that is why recently on this board very few Bradford born players were found apart from recent years. Even Jack Kitching the only Bradford born player of the forties started with Bradford RU. I now live in S Wales and both my grandsons play League at school, one at Caerphilly and the other in Bridgend. The recent Europe cup win was basically a S Wales side. There are now at least a dozen sides in the summer competition and I see Blackwood in Gwent will play for the first time in the Challenge cup. Yes, the Super League side as been a disaster, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. A very strong side could be made up to play in the National League without imports.
I do hope the clubs vote for a Welsh side in the National League this season, they won't regret it.
Incidentally over 6 rugby league stars were born in the street I live in, the last being John Devereux. In the village itself there were three Rugby leagueLions, and every Rugby League competition has seen one of our players from the vill age a winners medal. Only last year one of our club record holders at Halifax had his record of goals for a season broken. Our nearest RU ground is Swansea so local players round here enjoy the RL competition'"
All the Bradford secondary schools play in the power gen schools cup.

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Are they playing league regularly beside the cup at school? If the game doesn't expand very soon we shall become a nursery for union, already despite Eastmond signing a two year contracy he is talking of going to union where the money is bigger. Because there game is wider spread they automatically get larger tv rights than league. Never forget their international game rakes in the money.
Unfortunately our World Cup last year was a flee bite in revenue compared to union. Also to rub salt into wounds we had a lousy performance which I am sure affected our own super league attendances. One light on the horizon is that even the bosses of union are realising their game is becoming very boring, and with tries also drying up.

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Expand or die. If Sky pull out of Superleague then we'd be screwed anyway, we'd be literally forced into a merger with Union or our pro teams would go bust.

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If SKY/Media pulled out, wouldn't that be the case for all but all professional sports though . . . . soccer included.

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I guess so.

At the end of the day were always going to be second fiddle to Union, they have just moved too far ahead of us profile wise and money wise. IMO a merging of the codes will never happen because in 50 years they'll be the number 1 rugby code across the whole world and we'll effectively have nothing to offer them that they don't already have in abundance.

We'll never expand rapidly because we don't have enough money and Rugby League fans are just too parochial. We can't challenge Union in their strongholds but we can offer people in those areas an alternative. If we stick to our working class/middle class roots and market it as an ordinary mans/family sport like lower league football then we'll attract people who are disenfranchised by the corporate greed of the Premier League and Union.

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I like to think of myself as an optimistic pessimist, were all doomed but we'd better make the most of it.

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I think there is enough expansion at the moment, except another French SL team would be nice. Crusaders probably should have been given another year or so to prepare for being in SL, maybe that would have made things less farcical.

I think any expansion of the game in the next decade should be at a 'grass roots' level - I'd love to see the lower echelons of RL have far more semi-pro teams from all over the UK, perhaps in partnership with current SL teams.

I noticed that Sam Tomkins was actually born in Milton Keynes and if his family hadn't have relocated to Chorley, than he wouldn't be playing the game at all. There's a whole wealth of potential RL talent out there that needs capitalising on!

And a merger with Rugby Union? never!

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So where, exactly, has the game expanded to?

London have had a team for decades and it is struggling. Catalans is in a hot bed of Rugby League anyway (I think they were called Perignan (sp?) before they were given a place in SL). Gateshead has had 'development' status for about a decade and failed miserably. Paris was a complete mess. That leaves the Crusaders... wow, the RFL are really doing well expanding outside the heartlands!

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Quote: tristram "So where, exactly, has the game expanded to?

London have had a team for decades and it is struggling. Catalans is in a hot bed of Rugby League anyway (I think they were called Perignan (sp?) before they were given a place in SL). Gateshead has had 'development' status for about a decade and failed miserably. Paris was a complete mess. That leaves the Crusaders... wow, the RFL are really doing well expanding outside the heartlands!'"


And then there was Sheffield...

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Quote: Adeybull "And then there was Sheffield...'"


Indeed there was. The most ill-conceived admittance to the most ill-prepared club.
Gateshead was little better, though I think Gateshead's attempt to promote the game in the north east was genuine and concerted. At least there still remains some element of RL there, unlike Sheffield, or Paris.
I think we can take Catalans as an expansion success.
London remains a hard nut to crack for RL as it is in the RFU heartland. Harlequins do have their problems but its imperative that they must survive being IMO the most important expansion team for the last 100 years. To loose this toehold would be unthinkable
Crusader's expansion was a proposition with more than reasonable expectations for at least some continuity. That it has not proved so I think is more down to adminisration than being the wrong location.

I cant really fault the RL for trying to expand the game's locations and fail to see what else they could have done otherwise if this was their intent.
Other than perhaps better insistence on fiscal and administative compliance all round.

Withdrawing to the RL heartlands is a valid option, but not I expect, one that will give long term financial security.

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Quote: bobsmyuncle "Indeed there was. The most ill-conceived admittance to the most ill-prepared club.
Gateshead was little better, though I think Gateshead's attempt to promote the game in the north east was genuine and concerted. At least there still remains some element of RL there, unlike Sheffield, or Paris.
I think we can take Catalans as an expansion success.
London remains a hard nut to crack for RL as it is in the RFU heartland. Harlequins do have their problems but its imperative that they must survive being IMO the most important expansion team for the last 100 years. To loose this toehold would be unthinkable
Crusader's expansion was a proposition with more than reasonable expectations for at least some continuity. That it has not proved so I think is more down to adminisration than being the wrong location.

I cant really fault the RL for trying to expand the game's locations and fail to see what else they could have done otherwise if this was their intent.
Other than perhaps better insistence on fiscal and administative compliance all round.

Withdrawing to the RL heartlands is a valid option, but not I expect, one that will give long term financial security.'"


How so? Not to understate the work done, but the fact is that this was the 'beefing up' of a club already in a strong RL area - the game has been played in that area since 1934!!! (By 1939 there were around 450 clubs, ok that was possibly its peak, but lets not forget that the game used to be a lot more popular here than it is now as well)

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Quote: tristram "How so? Not to understate the work done, but the fact is that this was the 'beefing up' of a club already in a strong RL area - the game has been played in that area since 1934!!! (By 1939 there were around 450 clubs, ok that was possibly its peak, but lets not forget that the game used to be a lot more popular here than it is now as well)'"


I accept your comments, though the history of RL in south east France in 1939 is hardly material to modern considerations.
More germaine is that 5 years ago there was not a club in that area that were of a comensurate standard to the mid table cubs in the RL 2nd tier.
My point was that Catalans were prepared historically, financially, administratively, and in RL culture to join the SL fraternity.
That they were offered that position without them having to work by promotions through the lower leagues was a risk call by the RFL.
So I say again, It was an expansion success.

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Quote: bobsmyuncle "I accept your comments, though the history of RL in south east France in 1939 is hardly material to modern considerations.
More germaine is that 5 years ago there was not a club in that area that were of a comensurate standard to the mid table cubs in the RL 2nd tier.
My point was that Catalans were prepared historically, financially, administratively, and in RL culture to join the SL fraternity.
That they were offered that position without them having to work by promotions through the lower leagues was a risk call by the RFL.
So I say again, It was an expansion success.'"


Ditto, it was a geographical expansion of Superleague. I can't help but notice that some people try to undermine attempts to expand the game by saying that Catalans were never really an expansion team anyway because the game has been played in the south of France for a long time. When i then ask these same people if Lezignan and Lyon should have just as much chance of getting in SL as Widnes, Leigh and Halifax because after all by their definition they are heartlands teams, the answer is usually "but thats different".

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