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Quote: HXSparky "I'm with Spanishbob that Fax will be playing in the Championship for the next two years.

However, to get the facts straight, we did meet the attendance criteria for this round of licencing (along with all the other criteria - we were denoted a grade C), but failed on our business plan being "speculative".

£20,000 profit last year - not enormous, but in the black. And that's playing teams that bring a single bus-load (Leigh and Fev excepted) to our home games.

4th final in 4 years next weekend. Life in the Championship ain't that bad tbh.'"


I think the thing to remember is most Bulls comments about Fax have been drawn by a minority of Fax fans (and others) on the wind up. Most fans would love Fax to be in Superleague (just not at our expense). Your gates would of course increase in Superleague, but I agree you would need time to prepare. i look forward to crossing verbal swords with Fax fans, it is much better than with the Giants, at least you can remember winning something!!

Though they are faily balanced, i.e. a chip on both shoulders.

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Fev beat Cas and pushed Wigan close with a part time team. True playing such teams every week would be different, But a Fev team in superleague would be a full time team. DP reckons a full time Fev team would beat the bottom 6 teams in SL.

Either Fev or Fax at this moment would be more prepared for SL than widnes were. Unfair to say Fev or Fax woudn't be competitive. Fev put 90 points past Widnes last season - Thats a lot of points to make up just to get to good championship standard never mind SL.

I also feel the average attendance criteria is very unfair. Both fev and fax have been out of the top flight for a very long time and do incredibly well to get over 2000 fans to every home match especially when you can stand and count the number of away fans, its sometimes less than 30. Im sure the teams love playing us at home as on many occasions we have out numbered the home fans at away games. It goes without saying that attendances would improve, if not more than double if either club was put into SL.

Would be great to see fev in the SL, but if its not to be, the championship isn't too bad a place at the moment. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: spanishbob "

I believe the Bulls will liquidate and set up as a new company, being allowed a Superleague place. .'"



I think the problem would the difficulties caused by liquidating in mid season. I just cannot see how a new club could be formed, coaches, players and essential backroom staff recruited, a stadium lease signed etc, etc in between super league rounds. If it were pre-planned, perhaps, but there's no suggestion from the comments being made that any discussions or planning is taking place to enable a seamless transition.

I just do not see how a Newco would be able to fulfill the Bulls immediate fixtures. Which would create a nightmare for the RFL. And, if we cannot complete this season's fixtures, I would be very surprised if the RFL would allow us back in SL next season.

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Quote: Cleck Bulls "if im wrong tell me but i thought it was only halifax and widnes who were considered to play in super league. one of the requirements is for the team to have an average attendance of 2500. There has only been one home fixture that halifax have got that 2500 crowd you need and that was against featherstone who are top of the league. I would love halifax to come up dont get me wrong one day but the [sizeRFL would have to be stupid to let a club with 10,000 fans leave super league[/size. Halifax will never average a 2,500 crowd this season.'"


Yes it would but not for a poorly managed club that has spent more than coming in compared to teams with lower crowds who appear (and i stress appear) to have vtheir house in order. That said if Fax or Rovers were given the opportunity their crowds would increase and certainly in the local area I dont think their travelling suupport would be much different to the Bulls who to their credit took 3500 to Headingly.

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Its an arrogant assumption to think that the RFL should retain the Bulls membership of Super League just because of 10,000 HOME fans at reduced prices.

Its the AWAY support which has to be considered.

Do you not agree that the Scottish Premier Clubs showed the needed integrity in Sport by putting Rangers in League 3? Their fan base is far greater than the Bulls.

I say all this even though my team - Salford - are rumoured to be in a weak position and should suffer the same fate as the Bulls whatever the outcome.

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Does everyone mentioning prices have a threshold above which fans count?

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Quote: Early Bath "Its an arrogant assumption to think that the RFL should retain the Bulls membership of Super League just because of 10,000 HOME fans at reduced prices.

Its the AWAY support which has to be considered.

[sizeDo you not agree that the Scottish Premier Clubs showed the needed integrity in Sport by putting Rangers in League 3?[/size Their fan base is far greater than the Bulls.

I say all this even though my team - Salford - are rumoured to be in a weak position and should suffer the same fate as the Bulls whatever the outcome.'"

No I do not agree. They showed total stupidity - who, with a brain, would consider it sensible to take out one of the joint favourites in a two horse race? Are the bookies taking bets on the Scottish Prem title? Though I do accept it shows that common sense, or even what's actually in the joint best interest doesn't always trump malice when nihilism raises its head.

Incidentally, the only ones being 'arrogant', are the know nothings who come on a Bulls' board, populated by Bulls' fans who are talking about Bull's matters and say that Bulls' fans shouldn't suggest things - even if some of the things suggested might not be totally realistic. Fine, it's public board, but this is private grief and if you can't be positive why do you feel the need to stick the boot in? Not [ijust[/i you, of course...

Also, you are utterly wrong about the relationship between home and away support. It is [ihome[/i support which is the bedrock of a club and it is home support - realised or potential - that a club is judged on, what the away club brings might, or might not, be a bonus but the idea that any clubs work their finances on away support is risible.

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lol

im sure if either fev or fax sold season tickets for equivalent of 3 matches we would gain a few thousand fans icon_smile.gif

we could even claim they had turned up to every match too.

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not sure what state we would be in financially by the half way point of the season though

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Why would you want to do that?

My season ticket cost nearly 2/3 of what I paid pre-pledge, but don't let facts get in the way of yet another pretty pathetic gloating contribution.

Whether Fax would be any more successful than Hudds if they (as they did) offered cheap season tckets is open to question. Quite where Greater Metropolitan Featherstone would find all those extra fans from is beyond me.

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Unfortunately for fans of Featherstone, Halifax, Wakefield and other supporters (posting on this site) of teams either clinging into SL or wishing to enter SL, for the game to progress the league needs to improve by attracting wider support. Small towns in the heartland of West Yorkshire and Lancashire will unfortunatly only perpetuate the parochial image of the game rather than improving the profile, which it must be said has been damaged by previous, current and no doubt future financial problems of member teams.

Whatever happens to the Bulls SL needs to look to widen the attraction of the game, maybe Toulouse would be the best option in the worst case scenario.

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Quote: Adeybull " Quite where Greater Metropolitan Featherstone would find all those extra fans from is beyond me.'"


Makes me laugh how people who dont have a clue think Fev only draw fans from Featherstone. Lets forget that Pontefract, Knottingley, Sharleston, streethouse, Hemsworth, south Emsall, moorthorpe, Royton and many other small towns south of Fev exist.

Also lets forget that Fev have been out of the top flight for over 15 years but still manage to get over 2000 fans.

I wonder where all those fans come from pre SL ??? sorry Rugby League didn't exist before snobby SL did it

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If we end up with three teams from the Wakefield Council area it wouldn't say much for the RFL's ideas for 'expansion'

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Fev and Fax haven't had 5k fans in a generation and with no backer, no SL academy set up and coming from part time it has all the hallmarks of 70 point thashings in front of ever decreasing crowds. Powell and Harrison are good coaches but it's an impossible task. If Salford fall over then they will have to be thrown out as well which means both will enter SL. What then happens if Cas hit the wall? Fax, Fev, Leigh?

This idea that crowds will increase because Wigan and Leeds are coming is a fantasy if its 50-0 at half time. Great performances in cup games are no indicator of a how a squad will cope over 27 games with a run of injuries.

If the RFL hold out over conditions relating to a lease they should never have bought in the first place, and the Bulls are liquidated at the end of July it will send rugby league in this country back to the 1960s.

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No academy set up??? Really.

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