Just watch the interview of Jimmy on Bulls Tv and can say that I loved him as a player but don't like him as a coach. His attitude and the way he answers people asking reasonable questions is not good. I wouldn't employ someone in a high position who comes over like that. Even Hetherington finished with a little comment about him lately. He just will not accept we were absolute garbage yesterday saying we were OK in the second half - even though we lost that also.
He constantly says it is just one game. No Jimmy, it has been a full season of "just one poor performance". If we were to stand there and list them he would offer us outside.

England are going to put the fear of god into Aus and Nz with Macca and Jimmy coaching the team.

We can now only hope that Leigh lose all except Fax and Sheff and we then beat them so we finish 5th and get a one off chance at promotion.

Should we now keep Mullaney, Gaskell and Addey in cotton wool and use them in the Leigh and Fax game and hope this gives us 6 points and Leigh only beat Fax and Sheffield? Is this our only chance left to us?
I would take another trip to Wakey in that £1m game with a full team. They could re-name the ground for the day as "The last chance saloon stadium".

I have to agree with the point about Jimmy, I have thought all along that he was the wrong choice but hoped he would prove me wrong. He rates players that we can all see are offering nothing to the squad - such as Lauaki and pushes them too hard in training, they all look knackered.

We should have gone back for Nobby - like Jimmy he is ruthless but he is a winner and, importantly he can spot a player - think of the players he signed in yesteryear who no one had heard of but proved to be world class - Withers, Henderson, Hape....I could go on.

Also - he is great with the fans and media - Jimmy is becoming an embarrassment.

Watched the same post match press conference. Fed up of Jimmy saying we were rubbish/diabolical , we didn't deliver etc. He's been saying that now for the past how ever many weeks. Well, sorry Jimmy, but you are the coach,. Too many question marks now I'm afraid. Hope I'm proved wrong, and will be delighted to eat humble pie and apologise. Yesterday was the ideal game to put down a marker, and put ourselves in the driving seat and we blew it.

I asked at the Radio Leeds forum in the pre season, if we had enough cover at half back. Was told we had and by the way look out for a kid called Adam Brook, (remember him?). Well we saw yesterday a master class by Tim Smith in half back play. Not saying Brook is or was a Tim Smith, but our folly in not getting the scrum half slot sorted has come back and bitten us.

We have been guilty of believing our own publicity I am afraid. Our props have looked pedestrian. Dewsbury, Batley props have punched more holes than us. Richard Moore outmuscled us, and Groat at Doncaster did the same.

One previous poster said words to the effect that another season in the Championship wouldn't be a bad thing. Couldn't disagree more. For me its promotion this season, or a long time in the wilderness. Next season will be tougher if we lose our few star players. Super league clubs can buy marquee players will will make it tougher as the cascade effect of that comes down.

So disappointing after yesterdays show. Could have taken a defeat if we had performed. After all Hull KR put 50 past us, but we scored 30 odd in reply and put on a show for 60 minutes. Yesterday was truly awful, and Jimmy trying to justify it doesn't help one bit.

Not most...ALL. In fact 10 of the starting 13 played at SL level for US last year (Clare, Caro, Clough for other teams).

All of this guff about salary cap gaps is a diversion. We fielded a team yesterday that was to all intents and purposes a SL team. But we didn't perform. Why? Two possible reasons come to mind

1. Although they are all players who have played in SL they aren't really SL level anymore (if ever some were). In other words they aren't as good as we thought - or perhaps as good as they think they are

2. There's something wrong with preparation / motivation / conditioning /training /coaching (delete as applicable)

Hard to say it's definitely a long time 'in the wilderness', as one would assume that if no - one comes close to promotion - then changes will be called for once again. Couple of years? maybe three? Then the question is will it be straight P&R or back to licensing?

Course it could just have been us that was a bit poor [or rubbish - take your pick..] in the one game and the system is actually superb. The rest of the results will certainly be interesting.

There may well be something wrong with the coaching etc, I dunno, though the circumstantial evidence seems to be fairly strong. Have to say though, that if you seriously think you can get the same things for half the money, then that's just not how life works!

Think also you're not factoring in the deleterious effect of a season in the lower division.

As been proved in the Challenge Cup it is nigh on impossible for a Championship Team to get into the finals, the disparity between the two types of play are too great an obstacle to overcome..The only way this can change is if the P/R allows the promoted team to develop naturally over a period of say 2/3 years. Widnes will verify this 100% Middle eights is ill conceived and is boom and bust with the Championship Teams vulnerable. And whilst you say that in the wilderness is an overstatement look at the facts. Clubs depend on sponsorship, fans and unfortunately central funding from SKY, which is controlled by the RFL(look how we were docked half our money for two years,costing our Club £1.2 m ) with our demise to Championship we have been lucky to have good sponsorship, good management and a reasonable fan base. Should we still be in Championship a lot of these plusses may become minuses - what then! Also whilst all this is going on we are gambling with players futures and livelihoods -how long can the game of RL be sustained without imploding.

Rugby League is hamstrung by its geographical limitations, always has been and always will be.

It's a bit early to evaluate the success of the Middle 8s though, the Bulls failure yesterday has much more to do with poor coaching and a lack of a winning mentality (which didn't even seem to exist during the unbeaten run).

A better coach would have got us closer to Wakefield and it would still be all to play for. I think Leigh will make it (through the million pound game rather than automatically) and disprove the theory that the gap is too far to bridge. We've had every opportunity this year to make our mark and build momentum towards the Middle 8s but I'm afraid Lowes has not capitalised on it because basically he is gash.

This. On paper, there is not much to choose between the sides. The difference was, as you say, ENERGY!. Wakey moved off their line and wanted to hurt us in defence, We stood back, and looked flat. In the biggest game of the year, Lowes has to take blame for this. Wakefield wanted that win at all costs yesterday. We didn't and it's an attitude i think has crept in this year. I'd say since May, there have been two games we have given our all in.

We've had patchy performances since then and Lowes reacted churlish to reporters saying it i will be all OK. When now is the time when we NEED it to be OK, and we're woeful and look tired.

His interview sounded like de-ja-vu. Lost count number of times he has said we were rubbish, but this performance won't define our season etc. That was a huge game yesterday and we put in another flat, poor performance in a game that really mattered. Before, when we've been cr@p against a championship team, he's had an easier game to recover. We don't have this now as we have another tough game coming up.

He now has a big job psychologically to pick the team up.

Oh and Adam O'Brien, one of our best players made FIVE runs from dummy half. The guy looks shot to pieces and is offering no threat in attack like he was at the beginning of the season. But hey he's a tough kid Jimmy so lets keep flogging a 21 year old for 80 minutes all season and wonder why he looks tired in the games that matter at the end

Still angry as i believe we have a team to get promoted.

If it's any consolation it seems Leigh did as well as we did against SL opposition....

Today's results just reinforcing the gulf between the two leagues. All the CL clubs scrapping for that 5th spot.

Leigh were competitive though and had a few things go against them. Wakey at home is a big one for them!

I have no doubt, I bet you hear it a lot!

Salford 46 Leigh 18 [despite Paul Cullen's assessment that "Leigh are the best team in the champ [iby far[/i"]seems to suggest that there is a little more in play here than just Lowes [and presumably, Rowley] being poor coaches.

The context of both our defeats is the fact we play in a league which, in general, is way below our [iactual [/i standard, let alone our potential standard and prevents us playing, week by week, under the sort of pressure which we need to allow us to compete at the higher level.

Maybe we should just play Leigh every week. It seems to fire everybody up.