FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Bradford Bulls > Bulls new coach - all discussion here please
402 posts in 28 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
RankPostsTeam
Moderator10969
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2023Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
1271.jpg
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Build Bridges NOT Walls:1271.jpg

Moderator


Quote: Bets'y Bulls "Its like waiting for the wife to give birth is this decision re our new coach!!!

Nobody actually knows what you are having but everyone claims to know!!

Don't worry. Clubs ALWAYS get "the man we wanted all along" and the Bulls will be "only club he would have gone to". La la la, La la la a014.gif a014.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200817 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
36788_1300836245.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_36788.jpg



Looking at the poll it would seem most people don't want him.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
973_1515165968.gif
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif



Quote: Bulls4Champs2010 "No they wont, but not pretty much everything is influenced by them IMO. A man's influence on another man(in this case coach to player) is his knowledge, respect, etc and ability to communicate things in a way that people take things that they say and do on board are things that are free.
...'"


I'm not at all convinced that you and Adey aren't talking about the same thing here, but it is frankly silly to say man management skills are "free". One (major) factor in choice of coach is the perceived ability to lead and inspire men, and it isn't free at all, it is (part of) what you pay for each month in the coach's salary cheque. Every month, for as long as you want him to continue with these (and other) tasks.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4540
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
19767.jpg
:19767.jpg



Having voted 'no' in the poll, on further reflection I'm starting to change my mind.

I'm wondering whether Potter is actually going to be the man for the job. Yes, he did very well at Catalans, but he was allowed to sign a raft of Aussies that he won't be able to do here (it looks like our overseas quota for next year is pretty well settled). Then he goes to St Helens where - lets be honest - any half-decent coach is going to do well! Then there is the whole thing about him wanting to go back to Australia.

Are we getting someone who really wants to be back in Australia, and is only here because no club in the NRL offered him the Head Coach job? My fear is that we get someone who would rather be back in Australia, who has been used to coaching a team packed with stars and competing at the very top. Is he going to have the motivation to prove himself all over again with a bunch of mediocre players (albeit sprinkled with great young prospects), no money, dwindling crowds etc?

It seems we could be setting ourselves up for a mid-season 'Homesick Potter wants to return home' story.

On the other hand, McDermott actually does have 'something to prove'. He was very highly respected as an Assistant at Leeds before moving to London. He's done reasonably well with no money, no crowds (so he'll be used to that eusa_shifty.gif ) and might well see a move to us as a real opportunity to step up and prove his worth.

It's a risk, I realise - because we simply don't know if McDermott has what it takes to be Head Coach of team that has designs on challenging towards the top. But perhaps a hungry yet unproven coach might be better than a proven yet not-that-hungry coach?

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member16239No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Oct 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
1776_1294872033.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1776.jpg



How many coaches do you think would rather be in SL than the NRL?

The only way any coach is going to prove his worth to a NRL club while over here is to do exceptionally well in the job he has, so if Potter does end up at Odsal his wish to eventually end up back in the NRL would not be a bad thing from an employers point of view.

It is the job of the club as a whole to ensure good structures are in place to survive the subsequent changes of coach.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200817 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
36788_1300836245.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_36788.jpg



Quote: paulwalker71 "Having voted 'no' in the poll, on further reflection I'm starting to change my mind.

I'm wondering whether Potter is actually going to be the man for the job. Yes, he did very well at Catalans, but he was allowed to sign a raft of Aussies that he won't be able to do here (it looks like our overseas quota for next year is pretty well settled). Then he goes to St Helens where - lets be honest - any half-decent coach is going to do well! Then there is the whole thing about him wanting to go back to Australia.

Are we getting someone who really wants to be back in Australia, and is only here because no club in the NRL offered him the Head Coach job? My fear is that we get someone who would rather be back in Australia, who has been used to coaching a team packed with stars and competing at the very top. Is he going to have the motivation to prove himself all over again with a bunch of mediocre players (albeit sprinkled with great young prospects), no money, dwindling crowds etc?

It seems we could be setting ourselves up for a mid-season 'Homesick Potter wants to return home' story.

On the other hand, McDermott actually does have 'something to prove'. He was very highly respected as an Assistant at Leeds before moving to London. He's done reasonably well with no money, no crowds (so he'll be used to that
I agree with everything there, good post.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1332No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2024Feb 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: paulwalker71 "
It's a risk, I realise - because we simply don't know if McDermott has what it takes to be Head Coach of team that has designs on challenging towards the top. But perhaps a hungry yet unproven coach might be better than a proven yet not-that-hungry coach?'"


Appointing a new coach is always a risk, no matter what experience they have... How many head coaches that have been successful at one club have managed to match or exceed that success at another? The answer is - not many! Just ask Leeds and Wigan, who knows how much they spent on 'star' coaches and players in the early super league years.

Yet, seemingly average coaches can become successful just because they move to the right club. What was Tony Smith's pedigree before he went to Leeds? At Huddersfield - oversaw a 13 match losing run (still a record for a coach who held on to his job), demotion, then got them promoted (they were the only full time squad in the championship) and managed to keep them in SL the next season (didn't they get beat by a championship side in the cup one of those seasons?). Hardly what you'd call an inspiring track record!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1178No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2023Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
32226.jpg
You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a bell in both hands.:32226.jpg



I'd say that McDermott will "want" the job more based on the fact he's an ex-player and the role would be a step-up (albeit, minor at the minute) for him compared to, "I'm leaving for Aus at the end of the season" Potter who would be leaving perrenial finalists Saints while home-sick.

We do run the risk of our coach and organiser being home-sick. Imagine both dumping us mid-season next year - that would leave us in a bigger mess than we are in now. We need to ensure the next coach is going to be here for a few years and capable of re-building the first team on the tight budget and progressing the young lads at the same time.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1390No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2017Jan 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Done. 25/01/17.:



It's a tough call this one.

Short term we really need someone to get a bit of buzz back and serve up some exciting rugby. (Although you wonder if even Potter has got the necessary turd polishing skills for the three-quarters?)

Longer term we need someone to stick around and oversee the development of another good crop of youngsters. We certainly don't need a coach with one hand on the rudder and the other on the phone to Oz.

The heart says Potter, the head says McDermott.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14145No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
45_1302643626.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45.jpg



Except...it looks to me that Paul Medley is increasingly coming into his own as head of youth development, and maybe part of Macca's real legacy is a strong youth development team increasingly able to operate without the direct involvement of the head coach? Reading rlthisrl piece, and especially his comments for and thanks to Macca, read very much to me like he has come of age.

If that be the case, then maybe the new head coach can concentrate more on the first team? In which case, that might mitigate in favour of Potter. But also, if its Mac, give him the chance to show what he can do without (as macca did) having to spend a load of time, with limited resources, building a youth development structure pretty well from scratch?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman17138No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
755_1290430740.jpg
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



The first time I heard the Potter going home to Aus story it struck me as a mutual face-saving exercise as Saints weren't on top form at the time. There was a dramatic upturn almost straight after. So I take his homesickness with a pinch of salt.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator10969
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2023Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
1271.jpg
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Build Bridges NOT Walls:1271.jpg

Moderator


Peter Hood said he "hoped" to be making an announcement before the end of June. That isn't even close to being an unequivocal promise, it's a conditional at best, with other caveats thrown in, and given that neither he nor anyone else is in total control of events (the naming of a coach obviously involves several people, each with their own agendas) it was a wise move.

If you put yourself up as chairman I suppose you automatically go in the firing line, but it would be better if the criticisms were based on what he actually said, and not on what some people think he said.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2016Oct 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
40218_1286737075.jpg
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg



Quote: Gurus_Beard "And all this Potter Thou Saviour is becoming a little throat sticking. He isn't significantly better than McDermott and have seen little reason to suggest to the contrary given his playing roster at Catalans and Saints.'"

If you do get Potter, I'd be interested to know why he didn't go home after all. Unless we didn't offer him an option?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7239No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Feb 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
14782.jpg
The views in this post are mine and mine alone. Unless stated otherwise, they do not reflect the views of any company or entity I am associated with.:14782.jpg



Quote: SaintsFan "Unless we didn't offer him an option?'"


That's exactly what it is from the way I was told. Kind of a "you won't be here next year, but if you want to tell the press it's your decision, feel free" situation. Or so I was told anyway, it's obviously not concrete fact.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator31813
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
438_1551258406.jpg
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_438.jpg

Moderator


If Potter really was aiming toward becoming an NRL coach eventually surely that's a good thing? You want people with drive and ambition. If he took the Bulls job it'd be in his interest to do well at it if he's to be a credible candidate in future.

402 posts in 28 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
402 posts in 28 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.380859375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Who do we want in the play-offs
rubber ducki
70
4m
Halifax A
Bully_Boxer
15
9m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2250
16m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Jason65
2902
19m
Film game
karetaker
3808
34m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40108
37m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62469
41m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
MeanwoodGuy
2341
45m
Shopping list for 2025
Armavinit
5128
52m
Season 2024
batleyrhino
26
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
29s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
batleyrhino
9910
40s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
WIZEB
3148
44s
Round 27 HKR Away
chapylad
69
47s
Planning for next season
Cokey
105
49s
Film game
karetaker
3808
52s
Who do we want in the play-offs
rubber ducki
70
53s
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
TnT
108
58s
IMG scores
Trojan Horse
94
1m
Swinton v Dons - Sunday 22 September 2024
weighman
5
1m
Tom Johnstone
Dr Dreadnoug
26
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
SL Dream Team 2024
Exeter Rhino
3
TODAY
2024 Dream Team
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
Loop fixtures 2025
easyWire
9
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition St Helens Home Play Off
Uncle Rico
1
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information Play Off Eliminator 27/9/24
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Swinton v Dons - Sunday 22 September 2024
weighman
5
TODAY
AJoshua
karetaker
1
TODAY
David Hughes
orangeman
1
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Finish Seventh Hull Avoid the Wooden Spoon
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025
BigTime
13
TODAY
Season 2024
batleyrhino
26
TODAY
Hull KR Secure Second With Victory Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights match v London
Fantastic Mr
44
TODAY
Wembley photo
AgbriggAmble
3
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
westgaterunn
19
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Uncle Rico
27
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Jack Gaskell
6
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
chapylad
69
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
259
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
318
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
427
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
948
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
735
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
823
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
858
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1179
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1098
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1202
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1357
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1231
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1579
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1681
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1835