Well we're looking a decent team for 2019. Still could do with perhaps a little more steel in the forwards, but I feel we'll win more than we lose next year

I think the forwards look ok now. Plenty of depth.

List updated to include Chisholm.

See for me we could do with one more big prop I just don’t feel Kirk and Wilson are 100% ready not for championship imo

I thought Kirk really came of age in the last few games of the season. Wilson I think is only 7th choice so will only get a handful of games.

Kirk played championship in 2017. He will be 2 years older than that next season. Not the finished article but a real work horse. As well as him there's Crossley, Green, Peltier, Bustin and Magrin. Prop is one area we seem to have well covered imo.

I dunno Kirk for me I’m not convinced he played well for the final that was it for me

Before he stepped up into the first team, big things were expected of Kirk. Trouble is, we hit the wall and he was forced to step up much sooner than he should have been. It would have been better for him to be spelled into the team slowly, with experienced players around him. Didn't work out that way but hopefully he can keep moving forward and improving as a player

It takes time for a prop to mature. He looked great in his last year of 19s but open age in the Championship is a massive step up in that position. Agree with Roofaldo. I don't expect him to really look the part for a year or two.

This is what I mean he may grow into the physicality but for me he isn’t there yet which for me is why we need one more prop

He's a beanpole. Like Kopczak was at that age. When he fills out he will be hard to stop. Kopczak MK2

I definitely think we are ok for props now. Kirk won't let anyone down when called upon. He got a lot more respect from me at Dudley Hill when we played Wigan reserves and he got his nose splattered but still drove the team forward in an Andy Farrellesque way. Just needs to keep getting game time and plenty of breaks between as he is still developing. Our main 5 props are far and away top end championship as a team of props

Was just watching a podcast of an RL journo doing a short program on Widnes's starting 13 as things stand now. Now i know there is a long way to go and recruitment is no where near done yet, but we seem so far ahead of them looking at our squad list. I think our starting 13 would beat the one he put together. They did look a lot stronger when he added the "maybes" such as Gelling, Inu etc but they still didn't appear to have much depth. They have a lot of work to do. Looking at our squad list, we have a quality replacement for every positon. Pre-season starts this week and I'm looking forward to seeing how we'll perform as for the first time in years we have no off-field problems, have a FULL pre-season set by the coach who will be in charge for the season a head, we have kept the core last year squad with some quality additions so its not like a new team needs to gel and they'll qll be together early (apart from those who played internationals) clubs in a good place right now.

No Josh Rickett or Jamal Goodall in the squad number list. Have they left the club?

I thought Milton had left but named in squad numbers.

Rickett was on of group of players who haven't been given number yet. was said they will get a number after their first appearance