That would seem to be close to the truth but it's time for LSH to walk or be shown the door as the pally pally attitude with the players isn't helping to stop the rot.

I think we've been vulnerable, especially if the opposition spread the play or in broken play, for a number of years now. Whilst I wouldn't expect the changes to be instant, Potter must have been aware of the problem when he came and I would have expected the defence to be stronger than it has been... surely it would have been the main focus pre-season?

If LSH is our defensive coach questions have to be asked. The feeling I get is that the club tried to keep some consistancy from last season to this and that they try to keep the same defensive set up from one season to the next as well as from the senior squad to the juniors... Why you would stick with something that obviously hasn't work though I can't say...

This rather says it all.

push the line up and drift(no crazy mofo running out of the line!!!), the whole line has to move, with players pushing from the inside, this forces their attack to step back in and BANG the players pushing from the middle hit them....simple as!

Spot on about the defensive attitude. Mick Potter has brought in a new defensive system and totally revamped the marker system as well which is implemented right through out all the age groups at bulls. I know this through other coaches involved with bulls

Which has resulted in ... us getting hammered for not being square.

Pretty much mate yeah, so there is 2 options be patient and wait for it to click and players to adjust or cut our losses and try change it again half way through the season when we have a she load more areas to also work on

Christ, I'm sorry, but if it really is the case that the players have not learnt a "new" defensive technique in what 6 months, then there really is no hope.

Well I suppose Andrew Bennet could try and get a sponsorship from a Swiss Cheese Manufacturer!

I did suggest that MP re enforces the Defensive line with judicious use of Cattle Prods during Training!

The Defensive Line was as bad as was when we played at Stains last year and no Worrincy to blame this time!

The Senior Players are not taking enough responsibility on the field of play and the youngsters are getting caught out, same as last year!

Its a defensive STRUCTURE not a technique there trying to play split and chase marker system. And in line there tryin t bring up the edges but the guys in the middle arnt pulling across fast enough leaving holes for attackers to push through

Sounds like they're not talking to each other in defence. No teamwork, probably unconciously expecting to get beaten so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

All of which suggests to me that its time to stop and try something else!

I would agree. They need something less complicated so it seems. Basic structure. Just seems were too soft, look at warrington their confrontational and agressive were weak never meet them flat at gain line or nothing. Too soft and rubbish attitude.

Having watched the highlights of the hull kr match, almost every try they scored out wide was a result of our players not reading the attack correctly and one individual coming out of the defensive line. Ah Van, Platt and Briggs were all guilty of this (and possibly more), this has got to be addressed by Potter this week and should have been sorted ages ago.
All they need to do is communicate, move up AS A LINE and not get drawn out, but we see it happen time and time again.

I think this stems simply from a lack of confidence. Players are panicking when teams attack their goal line because they are expecting teams to come away with points it's happened so many times now. It's purely a mental thing that needs working on, rather than our guys not being good enough.

I don't think I was ever coached in tackling technique. We did bits of getting abck in line 10m back, but that was always the same scrum formation positionally. I remember Brian Smith going over during warm up, pulling out Neil Summers (?) & showing him how to position his feat & body just on bags practice. It was as much a shock as if Lord Lucan had ridden Shergar out of the tunnel. I feel our defensive systems are way behind the NRL (even with the obvious Aussie coaches).