Well, there's prize money paid depending on when you're knocked out in the play-offs, so I'd call that the same thing really.

My super duper, all singing & dancing spreadsheet, with a Bulls loss v Huddersfield
Wigan 43
Wolves 43
Huddersfield 42
Leeds 37
Saints 29
Hull FC 28
Hull KR 28
Bradford 26
Catalans 24
Wakefield 21
widnes 20
Castleford 16
Salford 11
London 8

After the theft of 2 pints against the Cats, the table is now predicting:

Warrington 43
Hudds 42
Wigan 41
Leeds 37
Hull FC 28
Hull KR 28
St. Helens 27
Bradford 26
Catalans 26
Wakefield 25
Widnes 20
Castleford 16
Salford ** 10
London 9

Of course our points difference is not good, which means we are effectively out of the 8, that barring a miracle, Mr. Bentham has cost us any chance of a playoff place.

The table indicated a long time ago that the fight for the last spot was between us and Saints - I think it still is, I don't see how we can now finish above anyone else.

Outrageous ! Pinching a blokes ale

Still mathematically possible, but we need to win all our games - hammering London in the process - and hope Rovers/FC/Catalans mess things up in the last 3 games of the season.

I can see us finishing in a very frustrating 9th place again.

I don't think we will make play offs tbh and even if we did we would be out in the first week, but I will keep the faith and hope Bradford surprise me.

What a twit you must be. We all have our own guesses and I just posted mine. Weeks ago. That's all it was. I don't see you having posted your predictions, if you want to, feel free. If not, just feck right off. "amusing" my arras.

I had been preparing a response to FULLY Fatuous but your response is far more succinct.

A bit sensitive aren't you? I was trying to be helpful by pointing out that Salford had 11 points. I thought it was an error that you may have needed to amend. Im sorry for trying to be helpful.

Re: Cas, I dont know how your spreadsheet works so I was assuming you filled in the table based on latest results and amended your predictions to suit due to form.

If you don't edit them throughout then im sorry I made that assumption.

Maybe we can make the magic 8 next year - though with the chop looming for two teams next season just finishing out of the bottom 3 is key - assuming some deal has been done for London
Still lets win the last three games and hope - though I think I would settle for a good win in our last game as a consolation

What's staggering to me is that we're 12th when it comes to points scored, only ahead of London and Salford. We're in this (mathematical) hunt due to our improved defence, and compared to last season it's improved... we're 170 shy so far of the points conceded for 2012. Having 40 points put past us on only two occasions gives me grounds for optimism next season.