He won’t.

As far as the attendance goes, yes season tickets will always be included. That's standard across the sport (and all sports as far as I know). My point was simply that this is arguably the biggest game for the Bulls this season at Odsal, unless they'd drawn a Super League side in the cup. Couple that with there only being two points seperating them at the top of the table and a good crowd in the fixture at Bootham Crescent (which was also a close game), you would expect that this attendance should be over 4,000. In fact, well over, I'd be disappointed if it wasn't over 5,000 with what it has going for it.

We only count and announce the actual number of people inside the stadium, certainly not counting and including season ticket holders who haven't decided to turn up.

The average attendance amongst season ticket holders in 2018 prior to Sunday's game is above 80%.

Sounds like we won't see Jordan Lilley this weekend. He stated that he doesn't feel he is ready for this weekend in the interview from Bulls TV.

Sorry, but I'm calling bull on this (no pun intended). EVERY club counts tickets sold but not used, be they season tickets or just matchday ones. If they didn't, you'd never get a capacity crowd.

Is that an assumption or do you have incontrovertible proof!

Its been stated by many over the years on this and other forums but no one has actually bothered with proving it!

When they announce a sell out at a stadium, do you think absolutely everyone who bought a ticket turned up? Nobody was ill or had an emergency that day and didn't go?

72,827 was the "capacity crowd" attendance at last year's Grand Final. There wasn't one person who missed the train or got into a fight before the game and ended up in the cells / hospital?


I know the counter argument here will be "just because they do it doesn't mean the Bulls do". But I don't believe that for a minute. I can't prove it at all obviously, but in no way do I believe it to be true.

To be honest, it would go against all logic not to accept that argument.

The GF isn't based on season ticket holders but a different set of stats that include the usual Corporate freebies etc

Why would Mick state as a fact something that isn't unless the person who told him is telling porkies and we know he can be a bit gullible at times, but until it's shown one way or t'other everyone will have to believe whatever they feel is true!

Just one example. If you can be bothered looking, you'll find plenty of standard league fixtures that were "sold out" and announced as capacity crowds. Look for derbies, you probably won't have to look far. If memory serves, a fairly recent Saints/Wigan derby was one.




Habit?

Seriously, I have no idea. He's not necessarily lying himself, he could be acting on duff info. But I have no doubt that the info is duff.

Mick isn't lying. Technically he's correct because the season tickets are still tickets after all, and they include admission to the York game on Sunday.

He included season ticket sales in his figure of 'over 4000 tickets sold for Sunday' because it's the higher figure and looks better.

The "over 4,000 tickets" figure includes the season ticket holders and tickets currently sold.

Not every season ticket holder will turn up on Sunday as the data shows that just above 82% turn up on a match day, so it's impossible to give an accurate figure.

That is why it's currently "over 4,000 tickets" and with a healthy walk up crowd, we could see over 5,000 at Odsal on Sunday.

Away from the fascination of crowds - https://www.youtube.com/embed/arwaegaMP4M?autoplay=1

Away from the fascination of crowds - https://www.youtube.com/embed/arwaegaMP4M?autoplay=1

Well see they are strengthening now Jack Ormondroyd is a good signing. Josh Jordan Roberts I thought did a reasonable job for us last year in difficult circumstances. Then whatever they can muster from KR on dual reg, least they can't get Moss this time!

We need to be fully focused and in the armwrestle for 80 mins. If we concentrate on ourselves though and keep the errors minimal we still should be able to control the game. Massive improvement needed from previous weeks though

At least we've been properly tested by Hunslet and Newcastle recently. I wouldn't want to be going into this game having just played Hemel and Coventry.