OIC, there was a "Pledge" and a "Pledge "

Still yes, the same as yesterday when this was asked, and the day before that......

Well as a NewCo asking for a licence you should only be able to put in a speculative case in, Which was the reason I believe Fax were turned down.
But it seems you want to be able to walk away from debt that your club ran up and then still be able to use attendances from that period as a reason to get a licence.
Like I say you shouldn't be able to have it both ways even though you all seem to think you should.
Also that punishment was meeted out to the OldCo not your NewCo.

I know, not personal....if anything like this should happen again in SL, should be demotion, but how can they if they don't do it to Bradford.. Nevertheless, i DO feel sorry for all YOU fans....all the best for 2013 onwards, whichever league you're in.

It would also be sensible to point out that a large percentage of SL chairmen have come out in support of Bradford staying in SL. Now, these are men who are looking at the business of RL and feel that having Bradford there would be of benefit to them as I doubt their motives are based on something like sentimentality and are more likely based on "what's best for the business of my club"

Sure, Championship club chairmen would want us expelled, but not for any of these "good name of the sport" arguments that have been thrown around. No, they'd want us out of SL so there'd be a chance for their club to take our place at the sport's top table. And again we find ourselves with motives based not on sentimentality but on what is best for them that stand to profit.

I think you'll find the punishment has mostly been meted out to the players and fans, neither of which was responsible for the mess we find ourselves in, but if that's the price, then so be it.

Are you now suggesting that NewCo needs to be punished for taking over as well? Seems a bit unfair to me.

No.
I'm saying that a NewCo shouldn't be allowed to use details of the OldCo as a reason it gets a licence seeing as it was rather quick to dump that OldCo and the debts built up it.
Either pay the old debts or it dies totally.

I'd suggest Bradford Bulls werent thinking of anybody else except Bradford Bulls when running up massive debts that now cannot be paid

So your point is what exactly?

Details like the number of fans they can expect? I can't speak for anyone else but personally I didn't go to watch OldCo play, I watched the Bulls, irrespective of who owned them. I don't think it's unfair to use historical data as part of a potential franchise bid, do you?

OK paid a rumoured 150k for the Bulls , less than P & A will get paid , and they WILL get their full money , unlike creditors !

OK got the Club for nothing in terms of cash flow for the Bulls , no new money yet. A 'promise' of UP TO 6 million but how much of that is hoped for grants and smoke and mirrors.

I mentioned on here many times that people like OK don't like shelling out any of their own money in large amounts. They never do.

OK will run this as a business and if outgoings v income meet , then he will still have spent 150k only , but you will not be spending at full cap in 2013 in SL as he won't want to spend his own $$$. They never do.

Any ground developments will be him looking to make cash after an initial outlay , like opening and re furbing a new big mega curry house etc

I doubt you will see any 'big' cash and I reckon RFL/SL will let in Leigh/Fax or even Fev for the next 2 years until '14 , giving OK the chance to put his $ where his mouth is in the Championship

Yes it is.
You as a club (like it or not) have shafted everyone in sight over your historic debts so why should you be allowed to use that same history to let you acquire a licence for your NewCo.
Either pay the old debt and use your previous attendances and awards or don't and don't.
Like I said you seem to want your cake and eat it.

You wouldnt would you, but retaining your licence should be decided on your merits, not other clubs failings

The other problem in this is like it or not, what happens to you set a precedence for the future , just what exactly would a club have to do to get its licence revoked, murder?

So when the RFL ask what they forecast attendances to be, NewCo should say what exactly? We have no idea as we can't possibly expect any of the people who come to every home game to continue so doing?

I have no idea what you mean in your first point but in general terms I agree the team with the best proposal should get a licence.

The second point depends on the RFLs motives. If they decide that making an example of the Bulls is more helpful than running SL with the Bulls, then they should revoke the licence. If, however, they believe that having the Bulls in SL is better for the sport, they shouldn't revoke it. It's their call.

It is their call, so they should make it, not put Championship clubs up against the Bulls in a pointless contest to attempt to justify it

This actually is also the point I was making