I would be inclined to agree but he has impoved very much in the last month or so but he is down the pecking order at Leeds.

And the bulls are the kings of signing journeymen unwanted by their clubs?

You mean, in a Jimmy Lowes sort of way?

No I ment in a matt diskin, chev walker, Ian sibbitt, patrick ah van, mark Herbert, Ben Jeffries sort of way?

23-year old Patrick Ah Van and 24-year old Marc Herbert are journeymen?

hopefully that prediction is wrong :p

If they can look as good against SL opposition as they did against Halifax we need to be making sure we can make those two players the core of our back row for a long time.

Herbert was unwanted in oz and will drift from club to club. Unless you think the bulls are ready to offer him a longer term deal next year?

I think he is suffering from the pressure of playing for his future employment. realistically long term i think he is looking at playing national league or part time in Oz or dropping out of the game.

But really you are nit picking, Herbert was unwanted in Oz, ah van couldnt brake through so they ended up at the bulls because the bulls are desperate.

As ever, wilko is trolling, I was just rubbing salt into the Lowes wound, but you'll not get a sensible discussion



Though I am mildly surprised that a true Whino would diss such a servant of their club as Diskin was, even in trolling, but there you go.

Not nit picking, I just always associate the term "journeyman" with someone who has quite a bit of experience at a number of clubs. And those two players don't fall into that category.

It's not a comment on the players' abilities, just the use of that term. Personally I feel both need to improve quite a bit before they get offered a new contract. If that improvement doesn't come, I hope they won't still be here next year.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of the players, I just don't think they fall into the "journeyman" category. Certainly not for a few years anyway, and we can't really label them that based on what might happen.

I'm not trollin mate. And im always up gor an rl chat. Disco is a leeds hall of famer mate! And a rhinos legend but the bottom line is disco was surplus to requirement and was allowed to leave because he was not needed as we have better at the club.

Sorry maybe i didnt make myself clear. the bulls have signed alot of players who are unwanted by their clubs, journeymen and taken gambles on unproved players. Your signing are very average at best.

You can say what you like about me I'm as die hard a loiner/rhino as you will find.

Yeah I see your point. I have explained myself above. Herbert is the kind of bloke who is on the road to becoming that kind of player. I cant see the bulls investing in him long term. It will be a serious statement by the club if they do. I can't see it.

Nice swerve, but no, you insulted Diskin by calling him a journeyman, in fact he was the first name you listed of journeymen we have signed.


You did, you've just completely reversed what you said. Diskin was a journeyman, now he's a legend etc.


I won't say anything about you, I don't know you. I comment on what you put.

But your 17 fit players are still miles better than ours and include the likes of Roby, Graham, Wilkin, Shenton, Foster etc.