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| The 'problem' with the 3000 target is that it is setting itself up to be branded as 'failure' when it fall short, as it almost inevitably will.
How can I be so sure that 3000 target won't be reached? Well, there were 2800 diehards at the last home game. It would require every single one of those people, plus others who missed the game (obviously it was in the main holiday season, so there will be diehards who couldn't make it) to buy a ST, and clearly that won't happen. You're simply never going to get 100% of people buying a season ticket, for all sorts of reasons - not the least of which is the fact that many of us (myself included) have to miss several games a season for very compelling reasons.
Can the club find 'new' people to buy a season ticket? Theoretically, yes - but have they given anyone any really good reason to do so. I'd say not. We are in a lower division, remember!
I really wish they'd have set the target at a more realistic level, perhaps 2000 - at least in the public perception. Then when they work really hard and manage to sell, say, 2500, it can be 'spun' as a massive success. 'All our targets have been surpassed' etc...
Even if they really expected to sell 2500, announcing the target as 2000 would enable them to spin it as a positive success. As it is they are almost inevitably setting themselves up to fail
Of course, if they do sell 3000 Season Tickets then I will be forced to eat humble pie...
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| At the very least, dropping the price (even a little) to reflect the fact we are playing in a lower league would have been a gesture. I am definitely a "floater". A £10/£20 reduction would have maybe swung it for me.
Call me tight if you like, call me unloyal, but why the f**k should we pay the same to watch Hemel Stags, Oxford, etc. (no disrespect intended).
Would you expect Bradford City to charge the same in the Premier League as they would in League 3? Would you expect people to pay it?
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "The 'problem' with the 3000 target is that it is setting itself up to be branded as 'failure' when it fall short, as it almost inevitably will.
How can I be so sure that 3000 target won't be reached? Well, there were 2800 diehards at the last home game. It would require every single one of those people, plus others who missed the game (obviously it was in the main holiday season, so there will be diehards who couldn't make it) to buy a ST, and clearly that won't happen. You're simply never going to get 100% of people buying a season ticket, for all sorts of reasons - not the least of which is the fact that many of us (myself included) have to miss several games a season for very compelling reasons.
Can the club find 'new' people to buy a season ticket? Theoretically, yes - but have they given anyone any really good reason to do so. I'd say not. We are in a lower division, remember!
I really wish they'd have set the target at a more realistic level, perhaps 2000 - at least in the public perception. Then when they work really hard and manage to sell, say, 2500, it can be 'spun' as a massive success. 'All our targets have been surpassed' etc...
Even if they really expected to sell 2500, announcing the target as 2000 would enable them to spin it as a positive success. As it is they are almost inevitably setting themselves up to fail
Of course, if they do sell 3000 Season Tickets then I will be forced to eat humble pie...
To be fair, I petty much agree with that.
I don't know what the actual 'break even' figure is - it may be the one they have set as the target it may well be lower, but there is no reason to believe the 'target' figure is any more significant than just being a figure they feel is attainable. I don't know why they put so much significance on season tickets, to be honest nor exactly what difference it makes to the finances whether the fans pay by season ticket or on the gate, though I was once led to believe there is a difference in the VAY payable.
If we start well and actually look, at least, as though we may win a few more games than we lose then I think, with 'roll ups', a figure of 3K is perfectly possible, though I don't think the 'one big push for promotion' gag is going to fool anyone this time round, so best they don't try that one. The big problem for the owners is maybe how much to commit. If they spend very little on the team then many more may decide not to bother; spend too much and the finances may take a hit if the gamble fails. Finishing well this season would help though - it's never too early to start the feel good factor.
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| I'm not gonna buy a season ticket for the first time in god knows many years. (and NO I don't smoke)
The way I see it is - last December a lot of us had bought season tickets and it looked like we had basically thrown money into Mr Greens bank account.
Just think back for a moment, we'd paid our money up front like good little loyal fans; and the smooth talking businessman pocketed it and walked off into the sunset.
iirc It was the RFL's criteria to honour those season tickets not AC's.
I might be a tick paddy, but I'd be stupid to make the same mistake again (whether AC is honest/not - I don't know - but its bleedin obvious he is a businessman first - and he's not suddenly become a stout Bulls fan overnight)
How many of the 2000+ Bulls fans at the last home game were actually ST holders turning up only because it was already paid for. How many of those 2000+ actually chose to turn up and pay cash to watch an already relegated team get beat up?
Next season we'll start with the usual big-ish crowd and then (as always) its down to the players on the pitch whether we win and attract more fans/supporters.
To me, its a very simple plan - winning games attracts species.
More species = more income
More income = attract higher quality players = win games etc.
Its not rocket science.
On the other hand - a good performing team will retain fans even if they lose more games than they win
But a relegated team will definitely loose their fringe fans.
Twice relegated - well that team will loose even more fans
twice relegated, three times in administration, and rumours of dodgy businessmen/owners, and disproportionate punishment from the RFL - guess how many fans that team will loose.
We're now starting where we should have started last season - I'll always be a bulls fan - but now its upto the club, players (and no doubt the RFL) to convince me things will not get worse
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| Quote: debaser "At the very least, dropping the price (even a little) to reflect the fact we are playing in a lower league would have been a gesture. I am definitely a "floater". A £10/£20 reduction would have maybe swung it for me.
Call me tight if you like, call me unloyal, but why the f**k should we pay the same to watch Hemel Stags, Oxford, etc. (no disrespect intended).
Would you expect Bradford City to charge the same in the Premier League as they would in League 3? Would you expect people to pay it?'"
In an ideal world no,however loyalty to your club sometimes overrides your common sense,that's sport I suppose..
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| I really wish I'd bothered to read this topic before starting my own. Ah well
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| I notice the badly spelled media releases are still coming out. So no progress on that front despite Chalmers being made aware of the problem.
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| The friendly sales pitch will have won a few gullible fans over but I suspect the majority will wait to see how much he actually delivers before committing to 2018.
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| Quite. I'm certainly not convinced yet.
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| Who spell checks the spell checkers?
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| Quote: vbfg "Who spell checks the spell checkers?'"
Well, clearly not you, as it should have been:
"Who spell-checks the spell checkers?"
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| Quote: Bullseye "I notice the badly spelled media releases are still coming out. So no progress on that front despite Chalmers being made aware of the problem.'"
From what I was reading on Facebook, quite a lot of people have contacted the club about this problem, by different means. That contact has been largely ignored. Occasionally he does the "we're aware and sorting it" but nothing happens. I think it's quite clear he has no intention of doing anything about it.
It's things like this that makes me totally distrust Mr. Chalmers though (others too, but this is such a clear cut thing which makes it a good example). If he has no intention of doing anything about it, just say so. People may not be happy with "Yeah we know he's an idiot, but he's cheap and we can't afford anyone better to do the job", but at least it's honest.
I would suggest e-mailing the club generic mail address, or contacting them via social media is also totally pointless on this subject. It'll be the same halfwit that reads those, so he'll just ignore it or delete it without passing on the info. Sending the info to Chalmers direct is definitely the way, or at least it would be if the bloke gave two sheets.
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| Well I emailed him directly the day after the forum. That email was opened as I got a receipt through. I never received a reply.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Well I emailed him directly the day after the forum. That email was opened as I got a receipt through. I never received a reply.'"
Which IMO is another example that he's really not that bothered about the idiot doing the job. He seems content with the medicore output, but considering the output from other departments, that seems to be something that's throughout the club anyway.
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