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| “In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.
Think that sums up the RL'S stance on the situation. Not enough effort made by the directors to cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means.
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| Quote: senoj "live within their means.'"
Live within their rfl withold half their sky money means.
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| Quote: senoj "“In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.
Think that sums up the RL'S stance on the situation. Not enough effort made by the directors to cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means.'"
No.
It means that the directors HAD done that, but had not committed to put loads of their own money into the operation.
Lets see if Rot Hall can find some better idiots to pour their money down the sink, given that the last lot's offer was seemingly the best available?
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| Quote: Adeybull "Surprised all our visiting TUPE experts have not picked up on this yetGood point actually (I'm honestly not enjoying this, I really do feel for you.) does that mean the players are now free to walk what with there being no monies coming in and as they are now not connected to a holding company with a connection to a RL club?
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| IF the players are employees of BB2014 or whatever, and that is now in administration/still in administration their contracts are still valid.
It will be for them to ask to leave or for the administrator to find other clubs for them if needs be I.e there aren't sufficient funds to pay them.
In a worst case scenario it would also be at the administrators discretion to make the players (individually or en masse) redundant.
Having been here before, I don't expect this to be a given.
FWIW I think the 6 points is right, the rest though I think is overkill and could well hamper any potential takeover, this could be seen as the RFL signing the death warrant which would be terrible PR.
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| Then if no one is/was prepared to put cash in, then to live within your means assets have to sold. Wakefield sold Aiton, Amor, poore , smith, and cockayne and let Tuson move on before his arrival. Bradford tried to keep their unaffordable squad together, until Carvell and Sammut saw the light. London have done likewise. As the RFL state why should Bradford be any different?
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| Quote: kinleycat "IF the players are employees of BB2014 or whatever, and that is now in administration/still in administration their contracts are still valid.
It will be for them to ask to leave or for the administrator to find other clubs for them if needs be I.e there aren't sufficient funds to pay them.
In a worst case scenario it would also be at the administrators discretion to make the players (individually or en masse) redundant.
Having been here before, I don't expect this to be a given.
FWIW I think the 6 points is right, the rest though I think is overkill and could well hamper any potential takeover, this could be seen as the RFL signing the death warrant which would be terrible PR.'" But Adey's point is that the company they were TUPE'd too never actually bought the club so they are no longer part of the admin. They are now part of a failed buyout.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Surprised all our visiting TUPE experts have not picked up on this yet
This is a real minefield and could be a big problem.
If the SL licence now reverts to OKB Ltd in the hands of the administrator, which doesn't employ any RL players, then how will they field a team at the weekend ? Furthermore, if I was an affected player, I'd be seeking professional advice regarding the insurance situation if they played for a team that wasn't owned by their employer. If they are employed by BB2014 but play for OKB then who has the liability for their injury and income protection insurance ?
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| BB2014 is not in administration. OKB is. And it seems it is the administrator of OKB that is now running the club, since BB2014 has withdrawn its offer to buy it.
Who the hell holds the SL Licence, God knows. It certainly is not BB2014 Ltd.
But whover it IS, has no players and no staff. And there is no way that the staff can be TUPEd back to an insolvent company in administration.
This looks set to be the most unholy mess. And the players and staff are right in the middle of it all. It is their lives that are being screwed with, and their lives that those who seek and have been seeking perdition for the Bulls would seek to damage.
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| Quote: mystic eddie "* better not I guess *'"
Big respect
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| Quote: Adeybull "Surprised all our visiting TUPE experts have not picked up on this yet
If they haven't bought the business, there is no TUPE
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| Quote: Adeybull "BB2014 is not in administration. OKB is. And it seems it is the administrator of OKB that is now running the club, since BB2014 has withdrawn its offer to buy it.
Who the hell holds the SL Licence, God knows. It certainly is not BB2014 Ltd.
But whover it IS, has no players and no staff. And there is no way that the staff can be TUPEd back to an insolvent company in administration.
This looks set to be the most unholy mess. And the players and staff are right in the middle of it all. It is their lives that are being screwed with, and their lives that those who seek and have been seeking perdition for the Bulls would seek to damage.'"
This is getting really juicy.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "If they haven't bought the business, there is no TUPE'"
That is not what they and everyone else were told.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "This is getting really juicy.'"
In other words you are enjoying this? It's just so I know what to put on the ban form.
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| Quote: Adeybull "BB2014 is not in administration. OKB is. And it seems it is the administrator of OKB that is now running the club, since BB2014 has withdrawn its offer to buy it.
Who the hell holds the SL Licence, God knows. It certainly is not BB2014 Ltd.
But whover it IS, has no players and no staff. And there is no way that the staff can be TUPEd back to an insolvent company in administration.
This looks set to be the most unholy mess. And the players and staff are right in the middle of it all. It is their lives that are being screwed with, and their lives that those who seek and have been seeking perdition for the Bulls would seek to damage.'"
WOW. not really looked at it like that.
I cannot believe how badly this has all been handled. No one is going to come out of this with any credibility at all.
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