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Quote: Nothus "Is anyone else a little concerned by this, or am I just worrying over nothing?
Part of our problems under the old regime was the ridiculous structure of shareholders we ended up with, what's to say it won't go that way again if Omar decides to dilute his control this way?

Hopefully it's just me still being paranoid because of what happened last season.'"


I am concerned first a loan yesterday and now shares - it smacks of us being skint....... hopefully just a coincidence and the share option is to raise funds for further investment

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Quote: Bullpower2012 "Is anyone else a little concerned by this, or am I just worrying over nothing?
Part of our problems under the old regime was the ridiculous structure of shareholders we ended up with, what's to say it won't go that way again if Omar decides to dilute his control this way?

Hopefully it's just me still being paranoid because of what happened last season.'"


I am concerned first a loan yesterday and now shares - it smacks of us being skint....... hopefully just a coincidence and the share option is to raise funds for further investment'"

Dont know if we are skint but we are certainly not rolling in money are we. How could we be. Got to watch every penny and also try to raise pennies where we can.COYB

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Quote: Nothus "Is anyone else a little concerned by this, or am I just worrying over nothing?
Part of our problems under the old regime was the ridiculous structure of shareholders we ended up with, what's to say it won't go that way again if Omar decides to dilute his control this way?

Hopefully it's just me still being paranoid because of what happened last season.'"


A lot would depend on factors like:

- what class of shares would be issued (i.e. same class as OK's shares, or a different class)?
- if the same class, what % of the total equity OK is prepared to surrender?
- if a different class, what rights (especially voting rights), if any, would attach to those shares?
- whether the shares had to be held by individual holders, or whether a Supporters' Trust could acquire shares on behalf of its members?

The answers to the above would give a better indication of whether this would be primarily a fund-raising scheme, or primarily a means of securing more active engagement of the fanbase with the club, or some combination. It surely has to be primarily the former?

The previous company's board (before they were ousted) told us they were looking at doing something similar, but were hamstrung by the other major shareholders having to agree to dilution of their holdings.

On one hand, I guess I'd be a bit disappointed if the shares were something like ""B" ordinary shares with less/no voting rights, or preference shares - which are to all intents and purposes a permanent loan conferring no real rights at all (unlike debentures). In that situation, you'd effectively be making a donation to the club, but you would hope that in exchange you would receive some preferential benefits as a "shareholder". In particular, though, you would look to some form of formalised representation on the board, and ideally through a democratic supporters' trust as happens elsewhere and certainly not through someone appointed by the club.

By the same token, I'd be horrified if the plan was to have a majority of the voting share capital in the hands of a wide range of small shareholders. Unless these had to be represented through a supporters' trust, and unless other safeguards to allow an executive board to function were in place you'd almost certainly get total anarchy. That is the risk you rightly allude to, and it would concern me greatly.

I'd be totally gobsmacked and horrified if the latter was envisaged, to be honest. I'd be not in the least bit surprised if it was more like the former, as that is how I would look to do it in their shoes. In exchange, you would hope for fans' representation on the board or at some other level where fan shareholders felt they had formal representation. What would be key then would be just who would represent the fans, and how democratic their appointment would be?

Presumably the company would remain a private company, as it would presumably seek to restrict the right to transfer your shares? Or those shares would anyway not confer voting rights. That would (I think) avoid the need for having to produce and issue a formal prospectus - which costs a bloody fortune and IMO would not help at all.

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The usual reason for issuing shares is to raise cash.

Adey's given a full description of the various options - but one of the keys is how many shares are offered - if say you offer 10% of the company in small bundles of non transferable shares - then it's a good gesture but he would not be transfering any real control of the company.

The past problems arose because you had a half dozen or so shareholders with significant blocks of shares who could not agree amoungst themselves how to run the club.

I just hope we are seeing a good initative at giving an extra incentive for fans, not first signs of another cashflow problem - fingers crossed. It's also a shame that the only properly consituted supporters trust is struggling to find interest in keeping it active - as Adey says shares bought through a supporters trust would bring a more organised voice.

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Yup. Concur 100% with that.

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Quote: Northernrelic "The usual reason for issuing shares is to raise cash.

Adey's given a full description of the various options - but one of the keys is how many shares are offered - if say you offer 10% of the company in small bundles of non transferable shares - then it's a good gesture but he would not be transfering any real control of the company.

The past problems arose because you had a half dozen or so shareholders with significant blocks of shares who could not agree amoungst themselves how to run the club.

I just hope we are seeing a good initative at giving an extra incentive for fans, not first signs of another cashflow problem - fingers crossed. It's also a shame that the only properly consituted supporters trust is struggling to find interest in keeping it active - as Adey says shares bought through a supporters trust would bring a more organised voice.'"



Agree with all of that - I'm a little worried Omar wants some cash back and sees us (the fans) as the quick and easy way of doing so. Hopefully any "share" offer allows some level of voting rights and a real and true voice, if needed, through a supporters trust or other suitable elected vehicle.

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Could it be that OK is having to work on lower revenue streams due to season ticket sales being less than envisaged?

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Quote: staffbull1973 "Just seen a tweet that there's some news being announced Weds, anyone got any idea what this could be?'"


Stevo #4 has got a job in the club shop?

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Quote: mystic eddie "Stevo #4 has got a job in the club shop?'"


mysitc eddie is opening for Roy Chubby Brown?

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Quote: stevo#4 "mysitc eddie is opening for Roy Chubby Brown?'"


Other way round perhaps. He is not in my league.

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More "news" coming Thurs apparently..........prepares to be underwhelmed again

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Is this shares thing actually news or speculation? I can't find any reference to it anywhere but here.

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Cross sport venues though mate. I can see you working in Benidorm clubs.

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Quote: vbfg " I can see you working in Benidorm clubs.'"


Evidence from my jollies last year.



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