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| Quote: Bullmans Parade "Quick question, apologies if it's been answered elsewhere as I don't have time to trawl through literally 100's of posts on various threads...
We know that Thorne bought the Bradford Bulls name, logo, branding, intellectual property rights etc etc.
What happened to the rights to the Bradford Northern name, logo, intellectual property rights etc when we switched to being called Bradford Bulls - who owns them?
As someone put on social media earlier in the week you could use the city coat of arms as the shirt badge, there wouldn't be any trademark attached to that,
if not a new "Boar" logo could quite easily be knocked up, there were a couple of different versions anyway.
To be totally honest although certainly not the most important point at all, I find the idea of a rebrand and a totally new start quite exciting.
Bring back the Northern! Just need Deryck Fox, Medley ,Karl Fairbank, & Dave Watson back in starting line up ha.
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| Moss has a British passport so there would be no issue of a visa.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "The guy is a total tool but beggars can't be choosers and we do need a hooker. Lumb can't do 80 minutes and Halafihi is rubbish. As a short term thing, as much as I hate myself for saying it, Moore is a good option.
I believe Cas also said they would be willing to loan players in their statement about not being vultures for our staff.'"
I don't think it is all Doom and Gloom at all it is a "new dawn" to coin a phrase.
If someone did a Marc Green and didn't do a thing to improve our situation like our last and most depressing season in Super League not only would my optimism be done, I would have a bit of time off from been a Bradford fan, probably start stamp collecting or bird watching.
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| Who is Andy Agar? Involved in Lamb bid any relation to Rowland?
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| That Agar guy comes across as Lamb Junior. Please no.
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| Positive considering the t and a this morning?
Dane Chisholm @dane_chisholm 2m2 minutes ago
Everyone have faith
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| A quick question - why do so many people on here apparently have such a downer on Richard Lamb?
His only previous negative (that I can see) was that he didn't have an immediate £1m to hand in the last administration at a time when, with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like the process was fitted up for Marc Green anyway. And besides, weren't there complications over a bank holiday or something...
But in his favour:
- He has been consistently vocal and passionate about helping to run the Bulls, to the point of having said that he's happy to work with others and doesn't want to be a dictator
- He actively advocates fan involvement in running the club. Yes, this is complicated but surely the sentiment is great?
- He's got experience in apparently running a rugby club reasonably well at Rotherham.
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- He's not a sugar daddy, but then he's never claimed to be
- He seems to believe Gledhill is credible
Now, I accept that this last point is deeply troubling, but other than that, I just don't get the animosity towards him..
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| Quote: NZ Bull "I thought Catalan Dragons and Celtic Crusaders were able to and they were both new clubs weren't they.'"
Dragons would be subject to French visa rules.
I do not know about the Crusaders several years ago, I thought they were in admin not liquidated. In recent years there have been changes in the UK re visas. The Govt want legitimate Uk companies to go through formal procedures before they start bringing in people from outside the EU. This takes time, it is not instant.
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| Quote: Block5Bull "A quick question - why do so many people on here apparently have such a downer on Richard Lamb?
His only previous negative (that I can see) was that he didn't have an immediate £1m to hand in the last administration at a time when, with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like the process was fitted up for Marc Green anyway. And besides, weren't there complications over a bank holiday or something...
But in his favour
Aside from the Gledhill thing, which is indeed deeply troubling!
My issue with him is that I don't believe him to be anything but an "all mouth no trousers" type. Makes all the noises, but doesn't seem to do a whole lot. Made noises during the last admin, pulled out. Made noises about putting a bid in to administrators this time, pulled out.
Then you take into account this fan involvement thing. To me, everything I've seen points to him being someone with no real money himself, but wants to look like he has some, all the while trying to get the fans or someone else to pay for everything. We've had enough of that with Green, and I don't for one minute think Lamb will be any different to him.
If Lamb does get it, there would be nothing I want more than him to prove me wrong and do a belting job of it. I'll wish him well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But for now and until he does prove me otherwise, I just don't believe all the guff he's come out with as he has yet to back up a single thing.
Mark Moore is very much in the same boat by the way (in my opinion naturally).
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| Quote: HamsterChops "Aside from the Gledhill thing, which is indeed deeply troubling!
My issue with him is that I don't believe him to be anything but an "all mouth no trousers" type. Makes all the noises, but doesn't seem to do a whole lot. Made noises during the last admin, pulled out. Made noises about putting a bid in to administrators this time, pulled out.
Then you take into account this fan involvement thing. To me, everything I've seen points to him being someone with no real money himself, but wants to look like he has some, all the while trying to get the fans or someone else to pay for everything. We've had enough of that with Green, and I don't for one minute think Lamb will be any different to him.
If Lamb does get it, there would be nothing I want more than him to prove me wrong and do a belting job of it. I'll wish him well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But for now and until he does prove me otherwise, I just don't believe all the guff he's come out with as he has yet to back up a single thing.
Mark Moore is very much in the same boat by the way (in my opinion naturally).'"
Lets hope with fingers and toes crossed that the RFL do a proper job this time and find the right man,
Green had the administrator by the short and curlies last time, when he got the club by default it was a dark dark day.
Its not really rocket science on the RFL's side this time choose the man with the most cash, who is most willing to invest.
The deal doesn't have to go through an administrator and the creditors don't have a say.
Fan involvement or not Lamb and Irvine are still going to have to invest heavily to buy the fans confidence and get the ball rolling.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "Aside from the Gledhill thing, which is indeed deeply troubling!
My issue with him is that I don't believe him to be anything but an "all mouth no trousers" type. Makes all the noises, but doesn't seem to do a whole lot. Made noises during the last admin, pulled out. Made noises about putting a bid in to administrators this time, pulled out.
Then you take into account this fan involvement thing. To me, everything I've seen points to him being someone with no real money himself, but wants to look like he has some, all the while trying to get the fans or someone else to pay for everything. We've had enough of that with Green, and I don't for one minute think Lamb will be any different to him.
If Lamb does get it, there would be nothing I want more than him to prove me wrong and do a belting job of it. I'll wish him well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But for now and until he does prove me otherwise, I just don't believe all the guff he's come out with as he has yet to back up a single thing.
Mark Moore is very much in the same boat by the way (in my opinion naturally).'"
I do feel the same. But suppose if he does get the club, then his was the best bid for the club rather than the previous lot with Khan & Green getting it almost by default from administration. One thing that does fill me with confidence if he does get it, is Damian Irvine. He's been through all this with Cronulla. Seems to be doing a damn fine job at Wycombe too.
The RFL have to get this one right as it is all on them this time and they probably know this. Hence the criteria they have set which i am certain Green nor Khan would have had to meet.
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| Quote: Cripesginger "Dragons would be subject to French visa rules.
I do not know about the Crusaders several years ago, I thought they were in admin not liquidated. In recent years there have been changes in the UK re visas. The Govt want legitimate Uk companies to go through formal procedures before they start bringing in people from outside the EU. This takes time, it is not instant.'"
At the time of their demise, Crusaders were under investigation for allegedly breaking the visa rules by players having the wrong type of visa. And Toronto will of course be acting under Canadian rules....
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| Quote: bowlingboy "If I were Rohan I would be on the Blower to Scott Moore lining him up for when a deal is done..
Should the three listed leave we would be struggling just down to shear numbers of playing staff.
We already know that there has been a meeting with one potential owner, I would have thought the coaching staff have been intouch with any potential owner all the way through the process letting them know what they need staff wise.
If a potential owner hasn't done this they are no good as they should want to know what they are buying and try and protect that investment / make it a success from the word go.
With regards to loans Hull FC have already pledged a helping hand, and I would have thought uncle Tony would too.
One point though, when the new Bradford RL team gets the green light its a new company with unknown finance i'm not saying we will be signing NRL first teamers, but we should be able to bring some new blood in at championship level to survive.
Then next year a clean slate a few more signings and we re off again, if we get a 12 point deduction and survive I would take this as a victory that should further galvanise the squad.
what time is KO Sunday?'"
He would do a very good job for you, on the pitch he is a good player, off it not the full shilling by a long way.
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| Salford show that you can have an owner with a load of cash but it’s not a magic bullet if he’s got a screw loose or doesn’t have a good team around him. Similarly you can have some good people in charge that are level headed but without the resources the result in the end is always the same.
With Lamb he talks an awful lot but without really saying anything of substance. He may be our man but I’m not sure where his money is coming from. Irvine has a decent track record in RL but again where’s his money? We all know a Bradford club playing out of Odsal will make a loss unless someone is prepared to pay for the ongoing upkeep of the stadium. That inevitably means deep pockets or some sort of deal with someone else who has.
As for this Agar chap I wonder if he’s related to ex director Roland? He had a bit of brass but not at the levels needed to fund a club on his own.
These three can all talk a good game on twitter and may actually be alright, however none of them have the money required IMO unless someone else is behind them we don’t yet know about.
Same applies to that Thorne geezer that came up last week. Alone he’s possibly just another chancer who talks a good game. With Richardson’s millions behind him that’s a different ball game.
In the end I’d like to see someone who can cover the Odsal costs and can keep the academy running. The first team can be a mix of part and full time if needed. We just need to retain aspirations of improvement. I can cope with years in the championship steadily improving and paying bills on time so long as we’re gradually building up the club. That means bringing through our own juniors with a view to doing well in the playoffs if they’re still doing the middle 8s by then.
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