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| In all of this inglorious shambles, lets not forget there are a load of real people - players and staff - who have probably had a sheite Christmas worrying about what the HELL is going on?
Folk with families, mortgages, bills to pay...same as you and me.
If we the supporters don't deserve any of this, THEY sure as hell don't. It's their livelihoods folk are playing with. And its a total crock of sheite. Makes me SO bloody angry.
I first got involved in engaging with the club on 31/12/99, when I made a post on the old Bulls message board "A New Year's Plea" aimed at Caisley, Sadler, the wider RL community and Bulls fans generally. That triggered a response from the Duffster, and started all sorts. I remember it well...sat in the office on New Years Day 2000 ringing the Duffster in response to his email. That seems so long ago now, and a time when Sadler was saying the Bulls were "Unbeatable".
Now, 14 years down the line, I make another New Year's plea: can we PLEASE have some people owning the club who we, the supporters, can respect and get behind? Who share our aspirations to see this club firstly survive, and then become great again? Not the total fekking laughing stock of the game it has become.
Please, Bradford. Please, those with money in Bradford. This city has little enough to shout about right now. A top-flight RL team brings far more to the city and the district than the relatively modest amount it costs. Help to save this club. It will surely help save this city too. You know you want to.
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| I can't see any sensible outsider with a bit of cash being prepared to touch the Bulls with a bargepole at the moment. At least not until the wrangles between the recent owners have been resolved. What would you be buying? What liabilities would you take on? Just how big a loss in 2014 would you have to finance?
Unfortunately I can only see things getting worse before they get better.
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| There's going to be no 'nice' way out of this unfortunately.
My prediction:
1. Mr K will announce himself as sole director & chairman
2. He will employ a very good full-time bookkeeper to work with the CEO. Apart from part time and volunteer people, that will be it for admin staff.
3. The big one: he will make all the players redundant. They will then be free agents. But they will then immediately be offered re-employment on say 50% of current salaries with the option of going onto part time terms if they get a day job elsewhere.
It would be a big gamble, but the only way the owner will have a hope of getting loans repaid to him will be to drastically cut costs AND aim to stay in SL for 2015 by aiming to scrape a third from bottom place in 2014.
Not saying it will work but think that will be the next development.
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| Quote: herr rigsby "Whilst it may not be a rugby city I would say that we do have a significant amateur scene with a bit more than a few clubs that will continue with or without a pro club.'"
Who are these clubs please? I've tried using the barla website but it's next to useless.
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| Staff expected to be paid today after a delay in payment before Xmas. Might explain the cryptic tweets perhaps from a few days ago? Also a showdown meeting today between Sutcliffe, Khan, Watt, RHP, RFL and the chairman of Safeguard Security. Whitcut apparently negotiated the 180k loan with Safeguard secured against the Bulls assets shortly before his departure. According to todays League Express.
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| Quote: Cibaman "3. The big one
I may be wrong but i think the E.S.L rules state that you must be a full time pro? so no p.t jobs
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| Latest edition of RL Express states there's a crunch meeting today with all parties or their representatives. Some details given of the nature and amounts of sale price / loans involved-- much more detail than T &A has ever revealed. For example Safeguard involved as RW secured a 180k loan secured on Bulls. Is anyone able to post a link?
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| I know I said I wouldnt comment further, but what ' assets ' do the Bulls have to secure a loan of that amount?
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "3. The big one
You don't just make players with contracts redundant though, you pay them out of their contracts and then the value of those contracts count against the cap for each year the contract had to run. Unless that has changed since this was gone over ad nauseum during the Pledge?
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| Quote: jockabull "You don't just make players with contracts redundant though, you pay them out of their contracts and then the value of those contracts count against the cap for each year the contract had to run. Unless that has changed since this was gone over ad nauseum during the Pledge?'"
True as under Superleague operating rules the players' contracts are protected. This is why when the club went into admin Guilfoyle was able to make everyone except the players redundant. ALso why when the other clubs agreed not to make bids for Bradford players none left.
The result of paying players part time is also totally against operating rules. In fact wooden spoon's only way out scenario is impossible.
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| Quote: Pumpetypump "Who are these clubs please? I've tried using the barla website but it's next to useless.'" ]
West Bowling
Wibsey
Bank Top
Queensbury
Birkenshaw
Odsal Sedbergh
Wyke
Clayton
Victoria Rangers
That's 15 open age teams & umpteen junior teams.
Theres also Dudley Hill in the summer comps.
You could also add Drighlington/Keighley/Worth Village/Cowling, who whilst not playing in the Bradford cup do still have a Bradford post code.
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| I was under the impression with regards to Employment Law that you could serve 90 days notice to a staff member and terminate their contracts.
You can then set up a new contract on what would be reduced terms.
If the staff member then decides to leave then that is their choice and another club would not be expected to pay a fee for the said player.
The Bulls reduce their wage bill and their playing staff of course which without doubt would most probably result in them fielding mainly Acadamy players.
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| Quote: Starbug "I know I said I wouldnt comment further, but what ' assets ' do the Bulls have to secure a loan of that amount?
Probably the Coral stand.
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| Quote: Nothus "the Coral stand.'"
Who owns the land it is built on?
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| Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "under Superleague operating rules the players' contracts are protected. '"
Link?
In any event, this is now a power game not a matter of legal niceties.
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