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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The person who is left looking a bit stupid is the video ref. I'd be fuming, if I were him. But in general, as the tackle [iwas[/i fractionally late and as Scruton [icould[/i probably have diminished the impact a bit and as, however it happened, the result [iwas [/ia contact with the head, a small fine is about right.
I suppose a fair summary of what's happened is that the VR and ref though there was "nothing" in it, and this has been upgraded to "there was not much in it".'"
I think you have got there eventually with that summary. I do feel sympathy for Ganson, it was late, but at full speed & at a different angle not that easy to be sure of, so he did the right thing in letting the game flow &, at the next opportune moment, refer to the VR. He was apparently told there was nothing in it so he had to let it go. The VR is under a bit of time pressure, without the luxury of the review panel, & I am not sure if he has the benefit of all the Sky angles, but it did seem a clear late tackle with hindsight, though I remain unconvinced about the head shot. People make mistakes, Scruton made one but I doubt he will be dropped as a consequence, some made several. There is too much of a clamour for blame & blood these days.
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| Quote: tigertot "There is too much of a clamour for blame & blood these days.'"
You are Richard Littejohn and I claim my £5 comp-en-say-shun.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
To add to the above, the Sporting life site alleges they found that "However, the disciplinary panel ruled that the player's first contact with O'Brien was legal". If so, WTF could he possibly be guilty of in the next milliseconds?
That's what I find confusing about the whole thing. What exactly is he guilty of? The tackle was "legal" so he has been fined for what exactly? It's all very odd.
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| Quote: debaser "That's what I find confusing about the whole thing. What exactly is he guilty of? The tackle was "legal" so he has been fined for what exactly? It's all very odd.'"
Guilty of an illegal high tackle, it's not confusing. They just decided it wasn't bad enough for a ban.
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| Quote: debaser "That's what I find confusing about the whole thing. What exactly is he guilty of? The tackle was "legal" so he has been fined for what exactly? It's all very odd.'"
Initial contact with the shoulder, then knocked his block off. As perfected by Sean O'Loughlin & undertaken several times a game. As opposed to knocking said block off without the aperitif.
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| Did someone from Wigan eat your hamster Tigs? You REALLY do not like them, do you?
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Guilty of an illegal high tackle, it's not confusing. '"
Hmm. Except, none of the words "illegal", "high" nor "tackle" appear in the charge.
As the RFL can't be arrsed to put the decision up, I am at present going by the Sporting Life report, which includes."
Now, I'm estimating that about 50-100 milliseconds elapsed between the first contact, and O'Brien's head striking Scruton's shoulder. I find it confusing because a shoulder charge is thus held to have been both legal, and reckless. Please explain, to save us simple souls with less insight from our confusion.
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They banned me last week me for responding to a few insults with a few of my own, after I suggested Liam Farrell was a great club player, possibly not big enough for second row, but with every chance of developing into an international front row. They are like Leeds fans, with a sense of entitlement to superiority, but without the intelligence or wit to carry it off successfully. A number of them are everything I dislike in RL fans.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Hmm. Except, none of the words "illegal", "high" nor "tackle" appear in the charge.
As the RFL can't be arrsed to put the decision up, I am at present going by the Sporting Life report, which includes."
Now, I'm estimating that about 50-100 milliseconds elapsed between the first contact, and O'Brien's head striking Scruton's shoulder. I find it confusing because a shoulder charge is thus held to have been both legal, and reckless. Please explain, to save us simple souls with less insight from our confusion.'"
From Sky Sports (whose journalist I believe actually attends the hearings) guilty of a reckless high tackle on Castleford's Gareth O'Brien.
The Disciplinary panel listened to the argument and felt that tackle was not serious enough to warrant a Grade B charge and downgraded the offence to Grade A. They then imposed a fine but no suspension."
Clear enough?
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| Why dont we all just give this a rest now, all we are doing is going over the same old ground.
He was found guilty of a guilty of a reckless high tackle, whilst we deem it as a shoulder charge, this will give the RFL enough resource to ban shoulder charges which will bring them inline with the rest of the world (NRL, RLIF), and as the world cup is over here in Oct we cant have to different rules - our players will follow the Brit rule and get penalised whilst the Aussies wont.
Lets move on and focus at the game we have coming up on sat, against as saints team that is smarting at only having gained 3 pts.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "...
Clear enough?'"
Not one bit, as you haven't answered the specific question I asked, at all.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Not one bit, as you haven't answered the specific question I asked, at all.'"
I will try to, though I'm a bit confused what the specific question is!
Scruton was found guilty of a reckless high tackle.
This was due to the fact his shoulder made contact with O'Brien's head.
If Scruton's shoulder had made contact with ONLY O'Brien's shoulder, the tackle would have been legal.
However, as it made contact with O'Briens head after the shoulder it was deemed an illegal high tackle.
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| Well I STILL think Chris Joynt took a dive...
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| Quote: Adeybull "Well I STILL think Chris Joynt took a dive...'"
You actually beat me too it. What is it with threads on here with three words in their title, with the last one being "tackle"?
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| As everyone seen the picture of Scruton been tackled by 2 Cas players on the T & A website.
Wonder what Red Hall make of that
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