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The money is the other clubs money?? Its actually OUR sky money for next month doylum.

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Quote: Duckman "Bg in t&a confirms it's an "advance on payments" the rfl are not paying our wages.'"



Of course their giving you money! When you go to the wall who else will give em the money back?

It's ok giving you advances but when there's no guarantees of a future then how can they make such a decision?

Stinks!

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This reeks very very badly, just now shows bent the RFL really are.

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Quote: redtillimdead "Of course their giving you money! When you go to the wall who else will give em the money back?

It's ok giving you advances but when there's no guarantees of a future then how can they make such a decision?

Stinks!'"


icon_biggrin.gifOH: Talk about jumping the gun. It's a bloody advance on the TV money, that ALL clubs get paid next week anyway! It just means we'll get it before Friday to pay wages, other clubs get it next week!

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Quote: redtillimdead "Of course their giving you money! When you go to the wall who else will give em the money back?

It's ok giving you advances but when there's no guarantees of a future then how can they make such a decision?

Stinks!'"



I think the RFL definitely has questions to answer over secretly lending the club 700k last year as it should have indicated to their finance people that all was far from well. Steps should have been taken right then.

Right now, I think you're wrong. The RFL have no choice but to do everything in its power to save the Bulls. The knock on effect to sponsors, investors and in particular Sky who would look very unkindly on losing the club in a city the size of Bradford would cause massive damage to the game which far outweighs the cost paying the Sky money in advance.

As a support base, we've sold our allocation of tickets at enough semis and finals to call in a favour now. You simply can't say that about the other clubs who faced our situation.

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Have a word..
They have lent the money, it will be paid back presuming the club is bought by the current consortium.
IF (and I hope you would hope does not happen, as am sure most fans did for Trinity and the like) we had gone bust and we were unable to fulfill our fixtures, the loss of a fixture to the other clubs would quite possibly be more than one months advance.
20+ players would be without a wage, whatever the club have done, do the men who put their bodies on the line deserve that? If that is what you think, maybe you should bob in and see Olivier Elima at training or one of the others, put your point to them.

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Quote: redtillimdead "Of course their giving you money! When you go to the wall who else will give em the money back?
It's ok giving you advances but when there's no guarantees of a future then how can they make such a decision?
'"


You clearly want my club to die, so I'm not discussing this further, other than to say you are factually incorrect with where the money is coming from. It's not the rfls, it's not other clubs, it's from sky, due to us in staged payments over the season. If we went to the wall I'd guess it reverts back to being sky's money, not divided up like a windfall.

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Why are all the small clubs fuming over this? Inferiority complex's are fraught on this thread. I hope anything that is possible and within the realms of being morally correct is done to save the Bulls as it would be a massive shame to lose their brand from Rugby League. What's the issue with getting an advance on TV monies due next week? It's coming from SKY ultimately, not the RFL or other clubs as some morons seem to be suggesting.

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Quote: VanGinger "Have a word..
They have lent the money, it will be paid back presuming the club is bought by the current consortium.
IF (and I hope you would hope does not happen, as am sure most fans did for Trinity and the like) we had gone bust and we were unable to fulfill our fixtures, the loss of a fixture to the other clubs would quite possibly be more than one months advance.
20+ players would be without a wage, whatever the club have done, do the men who put their bodies on the line deserve that? If that is what you think, maybe you should bob in and see Olivier Elima at training or one of the others, put your point to them.'"



Why on earth would we pay it back?. its not a loan its the next installment of sky money which was due to the club next week anyway. All thats happening is were getting it a bit early, something that a lot of clubs do over the offseason anyway to help their cashflows.

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Quote: mat "Why on earth would we pay it back?. its not a loan its the next installment of sky money which was due to the club next week anyway. All thats happening is were getting it a bit early, something that a lot of clubs do over the offseason anyway to help their cashflows.'"


fair point!! in my haste to write a reply, i didn't think that part out!!

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Quote: redtillimdead "It's a blood y outrage. '"

It isn't.

Quote: redtillimdead "I'm sorry but you should be allowed to fold,'"

You aren't sorry. We are folding. The new company (if it comes off) would not be the old company.

Quote: redtillimdead "The money dished out to you is from the other clubs pockets, '"

Another epic fail, it is the advance on our Sky money. I realise you are on Planet Angry, but could you at least try to keep within communication distance of this planet?

Quote: redtillimdead "We wouldn't be losing anything too good anyway, dropping crowds,... '"

Ah. "Increasing" is "dropping" on your planet. OK, I'm sure all the clubs will draw over 10K when London come to town.

Quote: redtillimdead "...a decaying ground... '"

The ground belongs to the council, the RFL owns the long lease.

Quote: redtillimdead "...and a bashed up boardroom all spell disaster in the not to distant future if not imminently.'"

The boardroom is irrelevant as nobody from it would be part of the new company. (Well, unless asked, but the point is, it would be a brand new board, and as you haven't even a clue as to who might be in the boardroom, it is obviously stupid to call it "bashed up".

Quote: redtillimdead "The only people I feel for are the fans, the ones that turn up every week and cheer on their club.'"

You do? You say we should be "allowed to fold", then in the next breath you're sorry for the fans that there's a fighting chance we will survive? What are you on?

Quote: redtillimdead "Sorry but to me this is a sham. '"

It's really not.

Quote: redtillimdead "To me you should RIP.'"

Thanks. That's what the old club will in fact do, if it comes off.

Quote: redtillimdead "If there are enough true fans than the club will rebuild and find its place again.'"

Thanks. That's what the new club will in fact do, if it comes off.

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Also when consortium have carried out due dilligence on the finances any[size offer would be conditional on continued superleague status.
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RFL are looking to speed that process up as it's dependant on them and the other clubs.'"


Thats really interesting as this was what one of the buyers for Wakefield wanted prior to the licenses but the RFL wouldnt give an assurance so AG ended up taking over. This will be interesting to see how the RFL play it.

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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "Thats really interesting as this was what one of the buyers for Wakefield wanted prior to the licenses but the RFL wouldnt give an assurance so AG ended up taking over. This will be interesting to see how the RFL play it.'"



You are correct Steve Parkin pulled out when the RFL refused to give that assurance and as a side to that he took back is offer to put a SL sponsor in place.

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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "Thats really interesting as this was what one of the buyers for Wakefield wanted prior to the licenses but the RFL wouldnt give an assurance so AG ended up taking over. This will be interesting to see how the RFL play it.'"


Wasn't the assurances re the Wakefield licence related to the (at that point) future licencing process? If I understand correctly what's been asked about is assurances about the continuation of the Bulls existing licence (i.e. the next 2 years).
I understand both cases of people putting money in wanting to know what division the club would be in but there's a slight difference between the 2 cases.

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Quote: childofthenorthern "I understand both cases of people putting money in wanting to know what division the club would be in but there's a slight difference between the 2 cases.'"

Thing is, though, the RFL has stated publically that there are to be no guarantees of any club's SL status during this licence period. The RFL would be on extremely dodgy ground if they played this differently to the way they played Wakey.

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