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Quote: Bull Mania "He's played for Malta, even in the pointless tournaments. Rather than just decideing he's maltese when a WC comes around'"


doesnt matter as a maltese passport only affects his overseas status. manase could get a tongan one or lulia a cook islands one. none of which would affect any of their non-fed trained statuses. Its the non fed trained quota which is the issue not the overseas quota. Think a lot of people still dont understand the difference between the two.

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I don't. That's for sure.

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Quote: mat "doesnt matter as a maltese passport only affects his overseas status. manase could get a tongan one or lulia a cook islands one. none of which would affect any of their non-fed trained statuses. Its the non fed trained quota which is the issue not the overseas quota. Think a lot of people still dont understand the difference between the two.'"


Just a little point of clarification. The Cook Islands don't issue their own passports. Due to international agreements, we qualify for a New Zealand passport. So you can be a Cook Islands citizen, but have a New Zealand passport.

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Quote: debaser "I don't. That's for sure.'"


Personally, I think it's a stupid rule. To illustrate it, as I understand it, here's an example using two former Bulls

Robbie Paul. Classed as Fed trained.

Ian Henderson. Non Fed trained.

So you've a british guy and an kiwi. The kiwi isn't on a quota, but the british guy is. d040.gif

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Quote: Roofaldo "Personally, I think it's a stupid rule. To illustrate it, as I understand it, here's an example using two former Bulls

Robbie Paul. Classed as Fed trained.

Ian Henderson. Non Fed trained.

So you've a british guy and an kiwi. The kiwi isn't on a quota, but the british guy is.
Why is it crazy?

You're confusing non fed trained quota with overseas quota. Their totally independent of each other, which is why same player can count on both quotas. First is to do with where you played your junior rugby, 2nd concerns your nationality.

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Gareth Widdop will be the challenging one for the RFL. He only moved when he was 16.

So he was federation trained from age 7-16 then non-fed trained age 16-21.

Which takes priority?

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Federation Trained Player
A Federation Trained Player is one who has been on the register of one or more member clubs in the same Rugby League Federation as the club he wishes to join for three full seasons before the end of the season in which he ceases to be eligible by age for Reserve Grade Rugby League.

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Quote: Highlander "Gareth Widdop will be the challenging one for the RFL. He only moved when he was 16.

So he was federation trained from age 7-16 then non-fed trained age 16-21.

Which takes priority?'"

Depends if they count the period under 16. What age can you sign a pro contract at. I'd guess that's the start date for any training to count towards the three years. Suspect it might be 16 onwards though I'm sure someone will know for sure.

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If Widdop came back to England and the RFL tried to class him as non - fed trained they would be on one hell of a sticky wicket.

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I suspect blotting his copybook the way he did, Sammut has given a slight edge to Mano in the resigning stakes.

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Quote: mat "Depends if they count the period under 16. What age can you sign a pro contract at. I'd guess that's the start date for any training to count towards the three years. Suspect it might be 16 onwards though I'm sure someone will know for sure.'"


It sounds reasonable. Robbie Paul was here from about that age. What was he?

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So what is the point of the non-fed trained rule? To stop teams getting lots of English players who were trained in another country? Or am I being really dim? icon_stupid.gif

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And if a European player challenged the restriction in court, would they be likely to win?

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Quote: debaser "So what is the point of the non-fed trained rule? To stop teams getting lots of English players who were trained in another country? Or am I being really dim?
its more about the benefits of having club trained players, the fed trained status is a recognition that players may move as we know only too well Wardle the most recent example. Non Fed is simply what you are if you are not club or Fed trained. this is why:

Club Trained Player rule
The purpose behind the ‘Club Trained Player’ rule is to encourage clubs to develop and better their own players so that there are more players coming into the game so that standards improve.
A further purpose is to afford an opportunity to junior players to play in top level competitive matches in order to aid their development and ensure the development of Rugby League.
Club Trained Player
A Club Trained Player is one who has been on a club’s register for three full seasons before the end of the season in which he ceases to be eligible by age for Reserve Grade Rugby League.
Federation Trained Player
A Federation Trained Player is one who has been on the register of one or more member clubs in the same Rugby League Federation as the club he wishes to join (Great Britain for the majority, France in the case of players joining Catalan Dragons) for three full seasons before the end of the season in which he ceases to be eligible by age for Reserve Grade Rugby League.
Non-Federation Trained Player
A Player who does not meet either of the definitions above.

So it does not include a french youngster coming to our Academy as its not about nationality, and its the same in football where Arsenals academy is full of foreign players that will count as home grown.

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Quote: debaser "And if a European player challenged the restriction in court, would they be likely to win?'"
No. its certainly been looked at whether it is a restriction, but its more about the practicalities: our academy surely would welcome a talented European or Kolpak youth, but would they and most likely their family want to come to live in England?

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