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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Depends on your criteria of what is successful. I'd say that Leeds in particular could probably double our figure and include more players that have made it to a higher level.
Only one of ours has made it to test level. Six of the rest are regular SL players. The rest have either disappeared from SL or are just coming through this year.
For the purposes of this thread I was referring to our systems up to this year so wasn't including the likes of Whitehead, Olbison and Donaldson who I hope are the start of something for us.
When you look at Leeds the following have become test players at one time or another in the past 7 or so years: Calderwood, Walker, McGuire, Burrow, Bailey, Diskin, Jones Buchanan, Hall, Smith and Sinfield. Add to that the SL regulars like Mathers, Watkins, Scruton, Burgess and Ablett and you can see that they did bring more "quality" players through compared with the Bulls in the same period.'"
There are a number of other former Leeds players as well - Peter Fox, Scott Murrell, Jason Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Jordan Tansey, Gareth raynor, Ewan Dowes, Ben Kaye, Luke Gayle, Gareth Carvell - there are not many SL teams without a sprinkling of former Leeds youngsters. |
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| Quote cieranblonde="cieranblonde"However all but 1 of theres is still at the club. Look how many we have still in our first team squad. That's the difference'" But that's nothing to do with development that's a retention problem. |
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"There are a number of other former Leeds players as well - Peter Fox, Scott Murrell, Jason Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Jordan Tansey, Gareth raynor, Ewan Dowes, Ben Kaye, Luke Gayle, Gareth Carvell - there are not many SL teams without a sprinkling of former Leeds youngsters.'"
Well they do say you are never more than 12 feet away from a Rhino. I don't know if that is specifically Rhinos or includes Pigeons as they are often referred to as Rhinos with wings. |
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| Quote Terry Monster="Terry Monster"I wouldn't say so mate, they've definatley got some better players in their list than we have, but we can also claim to have some better players in our list.
Add Ryan Atkins to our list and you've got the current England left side partnership, I'd say that's pretty even, Cook & Ablett, Koppy, Scruton, again it's even, but our Burgess blows theirs away, where as Lee Smith is as good as any back in the league. Quality does win titles, and like I've said, we've always produced quality, it's just a shame that the quality we developed before isnt there to be complimented by the quality we continue to develop to this day. It only looks good on Leeds because theyve managed to keep them all together, which is an achievement to be proud of indeed, but imagine the team we would have had, had we managed to keep them together aswell.
Leeds are a good example for youth development, but so are we, just as much as them, there is no difference in quality whatsoever in the players both teams have produced, just that they have produced some better players than us, and we have produced some better players than them. In general, both teams have produced a constant supply of high quality juniors from 96 - to date.
I added 3 more Bulls juniors that you missed of your test players list, that brings us to 9, them to 10, 1 more..big deal.'"
Looking at your list I'd agree that Leeds's biggest success was keeping their side together. Shame we allowed Peacock to leave, he was our biggest loss IMO. We did seem to have a "lull" in producing real top quality or allowing players like Atkins to leave. Leeds of course have done the same with the likes of Fox, Carvell and Raynor but haven't struggled as a result. |
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| Quote Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Well they do say you are never more than 12 feet away from a Rhino. I don't know if that is specifically Rhinos or includes Pigeons as they are often referred to as Rhinos with wings.'"
Have you tried the macaroons in Betty's? They are the dog's. |
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Looking at your list I'd agree that Leeds's biggest success was keeping their side together. Shame we allowed Peacock to leave, he was our biggest loss IMO. We did seem to have a "lull" in producing real top quality or allowing players like Atkins to leave. Leeds of course have done the same with the likes of Fox, Carvell and Raynor but haven't struggled as a result.'"
Whatever people say about him now, we miss Fielden aswell. We will never know if he'd have gone downhill if he stayed at Bradford, but we have never replaced Fielden, Peacock or Big Joe properly in our pack. |
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| Quote Ewwenorfolk="Ewwenorfolk"Whatever people say about him now, we miss Fielden aswell. We will never know if he'd have gone downhill if he stayed at Bradford'"
He was already going downhill before he left. He had that one superb game in the World Club Challenge and then had a poor half season before going off to Wigan. |
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| Quote DILLIGAF="DILLIGAF"He was already going downhill before he left. He had that one superb game in the World Club Challenge and then had a poor half season before going off to Wigan.'"
I know, but some players have a bad season then come back all guns blazing the next. I just can't believe that he went from the best prop in the world to what he is now.  |
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"There are a number of other former Leeds players as well - Peter Fox, Scott Murrell, Jason Netherton, Chas I'Anson, Jordan Tansey, Gareth raynor, Ewan Dowes, Ben Kaye, Luke Gayle, Gareth Carvell - there are not many SL teams without a sprinkling of former Leeds youngsters.'"
There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:
Stuart Reardon
Chris Bridge
Richard Moore
Andy Smith
Robert Parker
Karl Pryce
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| Quote Ewwenorfolk="Ewwenorfolk"There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:
Stuart Reardon
Chris Bridge
Richard Moore
Andy Smith
Robert Parker
Karl Pryce
Robbie Paul (Technically an academy product)'"
The ones I mentioned were in addition to Calderwood, Walker, McGuire, Burrow, Bailey, Diskin, Jones Buchanan, Hall, Smith and Sinfield. Add to that the SL regulars like Mathers, Watkins, Scruton, Burgess and Ablett mentioned by Bullseye. You have merely reproduced the same list. I make that 25 Leeds products.
Who are these Andy Smith & Karl Pryce to who you refer? |
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| Ryan Atkins
Brett Ferres
Chris Bridge
Stuart Fielden
Stuart Reardon
Paul Sykes
Karl Pryce
Leon Pryce
Robbie Paul
Robert Parker
Jamie Peacock
Andy Smith
Richard Moore
Jamie Langley
Sam Burgess
Matt James
Matt Cook
Craig Kopzcak
Dave Halley
Jason Crookes
Paul Deacon
Not that far behind really mate?
Plus one of our players is now the England captain so that's worth 2  |
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| Quote Ewwenorfolk="Ewwenorfolk"There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:
Karl Pryce'"
Good solid player and Karl Pryce don't go together I'm afraid. His heart ain't in it, he just doesn't carry his weight. |
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