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| Quote: Adeybull "Don't be sorry - it was. But still keep wondering what position Macca must have been playing to have missed all those tackles...?
Even so, something is clearly not right in the players' heads right now, and I guess it has to be on the coach's shoulders to sort it - and bloody quick.'"
Well, the other week when I named them the "Collapsibulls" in my sig, because they are, i would still never have imagined that.
We shipped 40 points in not much over half an hour. To illustrate how bad that actually is, if you played at the same rate all game, you'd concede 100 points.
The players on the field - especially having collapsed and collapsed in several games previously - ought to hang their heads in shame.
The fact that for 45 minutes we had so far outplayed Catalans that it looked like a training run against Wibsey Juniors makes it so much worse, and - well, what's the word ten orders of magnitude beyond 'inexplicable'?
I actually have no clue how a team can look so good, for so long, and then collapse like a pack of cards. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes. It wasn't fitness; at the end we were still going strong and attacking, and with a tiny bit of luck could have salvaged a win. What was it?
Out of a sense of duty I made myself watch the second half again, and all I can say is that as soon as some lasting pressure was applied to us, our defensive systems seemed to collapse, and the sort of ragged lines and holes appeared that I would expect at a junior game. It isn't our first collapse, it is though by far the worst and most humiliating, and I think what I would do if I were coach is sit down and analyse the tapes of all our collapses, identify the worst 4 players whose defensive work disintegrated the most in each game, and drop them.
You note I said "the most", and that's because whatever way you look at it, ALL the team shares collective responsibility for this 19th Nervous Breakdown, but you can't drop 'em all.
The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it.
But I refuse to believe that te players do not know our defensive patterns, that plainly can't be possible, and so if you eliminate that then it means they [ido[/i know their defensive patterns, but simply lose their heads and [iignore[/i them for swathes at a time.
Why? You'd probably need a psychiatrist for that one. As an amateur diagnosis, the bottom line is that we clearly seem to suffer from a collective panic, which turns us into headless chickens, until we let the opposition get in front, when we gather our wits about us and start to play again.
It would be less painful if McNamara's team was a poor side, but it's not. There are some top players throughout the squad, and for half the game they showed it and looked the polished part. The trouble was the other half they fell around polishing their parts instead of tackling the opposition, and I really don't understand it, but the players who did that are the ones who we need honest answers from.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it.
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Seven games gone and no improvement shown, it's certainly looking like the end is nigh.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it. '"
Where is ME he will want this for his sig
For me I think there is a case for sticking with Macca until it is clear we wont make the playoffs but many would argue that we are starring down the barrel of doing this now. Sad times for the club.
On a positive note, it was pleasing to hear Claire Balding describe Nero as 'the emperor'
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| Its looking bad for the coach. This is substantially his team, its past the stage where some of the blame lay with previous regimes. If this collapse had been a one off you could excuse it but its the third under his leadership and as Lady Bracknell would say....
I thought after the Wigan match that it was time for Hood to start looking around to see who else might be available. But what we dont need is an abrupt sacking followed by the hasty appointment of some out of work coach who just happens to be readily available. I'd still rather write off this season and make sure we have the right guy in place in the summer, when recruiting for next season starts.
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| If FA has lost the faith I do feel it is the end for Mac, I will get no pleasure from it, quite the opposite; another potentially top British coach bites the dust. I have not seen the game, I was enjoying the banter of Cougarville, but the teams performances & attitude is the sum of the coaches work. Saints showed you can beat the best in SL without a SH if you are coached well (flashback to Milward), Leeds showed you can challenge the best in the CC even if you are playing poorly provided your key men put the effort in.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "But I refuse to believe that te players do not know our defensive patterns, that plainly can't be possible, and so if you eliminate that then it means they [ido[/i know their defensive patterns, but simply lose their heads and [iignore[/i them for swathes at a time..'"
The only other explanation I can think of is that Macca cannot do tactics on the fly, or adapt to a changing tactical situation. When he has all week to analyse & drill the players to an upcoming game - We generally start well & brightly (ignoring Wigan). At half time - the oppositon coach can see what needs to be done to nullify our strengths & exploit our weaknesses in that specific game - and does it. I have no idea what happens in our dressing room at half time but not much seems to summarise it. The opposition start to exert some pressure, our confidence vanishes like snow off a dyke, leadership on & off the field takes an ill-timed break, then we have post match platitudes again.
As an aside - Platt just took a huge gamble with that offload - if he held onto the ball I think another set without possession was certain defeat anyway - so the choice he was left with was -
1) hold onto ball, look competent but certain defeat
2)Very risky offload - small chance to get possession back, downside looks stupid.
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| Quote: Highlander "The only other explanation I can think of is that Macca cannot do tactics on the fly,'"
I think the bigger problem is that he has recruited a group of players who cannnot do tactics on the fly
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| Quote: tigertot "If FA has lost the faith I do feel it is the end for Mac, I will get no pleasure from it, quite the opposite; another potentially top British coach bites the dust. I have not seen the game, I was enjoying the banter of Cougarville, but the teams performances & attitude is the sum of the coaches work. Saints showed you can beat the best in SL without a SH if you are coached well (flashback to Milward), Leeds showed you can challenge the best in the CC even if you are playing poorly provided your key men put the effort in.'"
I haven't lost the faith, I can just see it coming. If he goes it is his players who have let him, and us, down so badly.
How are we coached? Who coached the team that clinically dismantled Catalans and steamrollered into a 26-0 lead? I think it was McNamara.
And Leeds? They are out of the Cup, exactly the same as us, having lost comprehensively on their own pitch to a team lacking key players. Maybe there is a God
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| Quote: Cibaman "I think the bigger problem is that he has recruited a group of players who cannnot do tactics on the fly'"
The whole set up isn't working at the moment. The season is a write off and I hope we're already on the lookout for a new coach.
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| Quote: Bullseye "The whole set up isn't working at the moment. The season is a write off and I hope we're already on the lookout for a new coach.'"
Yup. Best we can hope for is scraping 8th place then out of the playoffs at first attempt, early break for everyone.
I actually think 8th is beyond us at present, we are looking at 10th/11th really on current form.
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| Quote: Highlander "I actually think 8th is beyond us at present, we are looking at 10th/11th really on current form.'"
On current form you can't argue with that.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "And Leeds? They are out of the Cup, exactly the same as us, having lost comprehensively on their own pitch to a team lacking key players. Maybe there is a God
My point about Leeds is that I don't think they are that good. I am still not sure about McL, but what Leeds do have is a nucleus of (world?) class players still with enough belief to get them through most scrapes.
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| Quote: Paul124897 "icon_lol.gif I'm backing you in your prediction of Brian Smith, back at the Bulls in 2010 by the way.
Just what we need, a coach with a record of winning silverware. NOT!
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| Quote: Ancient Provocateur "Just what we need, a coach with a record of winning silverware. NOT!
As a matter if interest how many of yesterday's 17 have won anthing, with the Bulls and elsewhere? Could it be that we now have a team that knows how to win things or are prepared to put in the hard graft to do it?
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| Quote: Ancient Provocateur "Just what we need, a coach with a record of winning silverware. NOT!
I don't think we are in a position to demand a coach who will win silverware, just one who can put us back on the right track will do in short-medium term.
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