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| Totally flabbergasted by this. So Hood has been lying about the clubs finances all along!! quote after quote of lies over the last 6 months..
For the record i'd happily give the Bulls £100 if this would secure our future but after being fed all this rubbish can we ever trust the board again??
Where's Ken Morrison when you need him!!!
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| Quote: bewareshadows "£500,000k / 20,000 fans is .
£25 quid each. It's not a perfect solution so how about this. Next match against leeds, season tickets are not valid. Everyone pays entry. 20k fans all paying would help somewhat.
Then maybe the RFL need to step in and move an exiles fixture to Odsal too, or maybe both.
Like I say not perfect, but gives Bradford a chance.'" But the RFL own the lease on odsal so that wont benefit Bradford I would imagine.
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| Quote: JCWWRL "How does that help you?? Wouldn't that money go the RFL?? They own the lease so wouldn't have to pay to use the ground.'"
Won't help me at all (I'm a Saints fan). The RFL could just wave the rights to take the money. I'm trying to be creative.
No one wants to put £100 in a black hole , but they may put money to a black hole if they get a match out of it.
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| Well, I for one feel that we have been hoodwinked.
If shares were on offer then depending on the deal I might be interested but paying any more of my money to this lot is not going to happen, because they have destroyed any feeling I may have had that I could rely on anything they say.
It smacks of straw-clutching desperation to me anyway; a blithe PR-style spin on what is a critical, near-terminal crisis doesn't seem to me the way to go. And we have little explanation. Has the bank called the overdraft in? Is that it? Why not just say so? "Send us £100 within a fortnight or we'll go bust. But if you do, we'll be right as a bobbin". Each to his own, but doesn't cut it with me.
If things are really as bad as they seem, with the doctor's finger already brushing the off-switch on the life support machine, what is to be lost by coming clean as to exactly what, where and why?
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| I thought the salary cap was designed to stop this happening????
Its not worth thepaper its written on. IN fact, instead of helping us in our current situation, it could hinder us. If Wigan, Warrington, leeds etc... didnt have to comply with the cap, wed already have had money coming in as the likes of Bateman, Whitehead, even CRookes, might have been subject to a cheeky bid!
However, Part of me is now thinking that we'd be better off starting again now anyway. It might pull people together if we can get a decent chairperson, and the players on inflated deals would have to either be removed, or take a cut in pay. maybe, just maybe, there is light at the end of the tunnel and that light is ths chance to start at "0" and build again?
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| Quote: isaac1 "I thought the salary cap was designed to stop this happening????
Its not worth thepaper its written on. IN fact, instead of helping us in our current situation, it could hinder us. If Wigan, Warrington, leeds etc... didnt have to comply with the cap, wed already have had money coming in as the likes of Bateman, Whitehead, even CRookes, might have been subject to a cheeky bid!
However, Part of me is now thinking that we'd be better off starting again now anyway. It might pull people together if we can get a decent chairperson, and the players on inflated deals would have to either be removed, or take a cut in pay. maybe, just maybe, there is light at the end of the tunnel and that light is ths chance to start at "0" and build again?'"
Well I've been told I am wrong about this , but my impression was that the cap was to level out the playing roster across all clubs.
You would need a break even rule to stop clubs being daft with finances, as the cap only limits a club to £1.6 on the players wages.
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| This is the tale I was told about the ground sale / lease deal, :-
`I was told the financial reasons why the RFL had to buy Odsal at the time of the deal going through. It now makes even more sense and it could be argued that the RFL have recovered from a poor situation. Bradford apparently approached the RFL after Christmas in early 2011 prior to the new season starting. The RFL loaned Bradford £ 700,000.00 in order for the club to continue trading, Bradford did not meet any of the repayments and the RFL realised that they were not going to get this money back and what ever assets the loan was secured against could only be realised if Bradford was liquidated. Move forward a year and Bradford are still in problems, low crowds , huge debt, creditors chasing etc etc. They again approach the RFL who see an opportunity to get their original £ 700,000loan back. A deal is agreed Bradford sell the ground to the RFL for £ 1,200,000. The RFL contra the £ 700,000.00 and hand over the £ 500,000 balance and get the deeds to the ground. Good deal by the RFL. `
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| Well if Jamie Peacock has pledged, i expect our players to
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "This is the tale I was told about the ground sale / lease deal,
Sounds about right now. Pity they lied to us about it all.
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| Quote: slideby "Well if Jamie Peacock has pledged, i expect our players to'"
What you mean?
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "This is the tale I was told about the ground sale / lease deal,
In the end blame for poor finances can't be laid at the door of creditors. Creditors do not mispend money. They may make poor decision of who to lend too!!!
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| Got too say I hope that you can work everything out and become the strong force that you were in Super League. I can remember my own Team being in dire straits in the late nineties and selling ground to council.
Good Luck and again I hope that it all works out, as I have met so many Bradford who have always been brilliant to chat too over rugby, even when you use too give us regular hidings.
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| Quote: Adeybull "My initial guesses to those IMO excellent questionsLondon and Wakefield did not, so there must be precedents there?
2) Would the club be able or allowed to fulfill its fixtures this season? Would we face the prospect of playing out the season with juniors? At what point would it make more sense to withdraw from SL and start again next season?
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I guess it would depend on how much of the team we could - or were allowed to - retain. A quick pre-pack might enable an incoming buyer to act before players started leaving (for whatever reason) - Wakey's resolution dragged on, and they lost a lot of players ove rthat period.[/i
3) Have we already received the Sky money for the season? What other sources of income would the club have, bearing in mind how much of our income is from season ticket holders and has been already received?
[iNot sure how the Sky money works, but suspect its available early-on. Clubs get money from the RFL too? Any sponsorship and similar contracts would probably die with any insolvency so would have to be renegotiated. I guess any provider of commercial income who had paid up front (as well as those season ticket holders who took out the extended deals) would feel especially aggrieved?[/i
4) Does SL have the equivalent of football's "football creditors" rule?
[iNot heard of one, tbh. Football gets away with it because of the clout it has.[/i
5) Have we paid the final instalment of the Harris settlement? Could that have anything to do with the timing of this announcement
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Hood assured us at the last forum (and in the media IIRC?) that it had been paid. And Hood is an honourable man...[/i
6) How would the lease with the RFL be affected? Would moving to VP be an option?
[iAdministration would almost certainly void the lease, and the RFL would be a - I think unsecured, if their charge has been released? - creditor. they could repossess the stadium, I assume; and we could move to VP, or Sedburgh playing fields or wherever.[/i
In saying "we", I mean the new entity that would be formed to buy the assets off the administrator. Forget Bradford Northern Rugby League Club (1964) Ltd, more recently renamed Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. It would be Bradford Bulls (2012) Ltd or similar.'"
Thanks. As others have suggested, the fundamental problem appears to be the lack of income to keep the club going through an administration, at least for the rest of this season.
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| Whilst I sympathise with the Bulls fans I can't help but think that if this was Castleford or Wakefield most would be saying "tough luck".
I hope the Bulls can sort something out but I don't want it to be at the expense of fans if there isn't a long term financial plan that stops it happening again some short time down the track.
Where has the Andy Lynch money gone?
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