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100k could well come from tomorrow night's auction. several items with 10k reserves, just hope some big spenders turn up.

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So I offer my opinion to a public forum and I get the usual response, so lets get a few things straight whilst we're all getting things off our chest!

Firstly, I have pledged a four figure sum of money to the quest (despite my mistrust of the BoD), and though I'm not a wealthy man I earn a good salary and I can afford to donate that cash to try and help our club, today I took the last shirt Lesley Vainokolo wore for our great club, that is signed and framed off my office wall and dropped it off with Stuart Duffy to auction tomorrow (hopefully for several thousand pounds), and no I am not Chris Caisley, nor do I have any association with him or anyone he associates with, I hope he too will be consigned to history in the not too distant future!

My donation is no more worthy than anyone else's and I would love to shake the hand of every last person who has pledged money to help MY club out of its current plight whether it be £1 or £1,000!

I first visited Odsal in 1978 (I was 5) with my Dad, Grandad, and Great Grandad, we sat in the main stand on the white benches and my Great Grandad shook so badly with Parkinsons that the entire row shook by halftime, it helped us keep warm. My Grandad donated money in 1963 at the meeting in St Georges Hall and he will be turning in his grave to see it all happening again! Peter Roe was my boyhood hero and the club means the world to me, I am genuinely heartbroken at our current plight, but my story is by no means unique.

I have publicly criticised the running of the club for some time now, on this forum (only to be bullied off the board with some of the vitriol sent my way after speaking my mind), and when discussing the club with friends and family. We've got some very big decisions wrong and often obviously so! We've lost our way with recruitment, lost kids we should have been playing, kept a coach not up to the task in front of him (not his fault), I could go on, and worse of all for me it now transpires that the BoD have been at best less than frank and at worse disingenuous on several occasions about decisions they have taken and more importantly why they have taken them.

Its oft trotted out that they are genuine guys trying their best and working free, which I'm sure is probably true, but they're out of their depth if thats the case and should have stood aside long before now, the adage you get what you pay for may never have been more apt - We are a professional sports team playing in that sports elite competition, we shouldn't be playing at it, and if we cannot afford to play with the big boys we shouldn't be jeopardising the clubs future to do so, or at least until we can afford to once more, sport is cyclical and as a Bradford fan you learn patience!

So I can fully understand why people don't want to pledge, and I would hope that people can see my view that the Board members positions are ultimately untenable, they are out of goodwill and almost out of time, perfect storm of unique financial circumstances or not, but hopefully the good folk of Bradford will save their rugby league team once again!

And its in that spirit that I urge everyone who can, to pledge as much as you can to save the sporting love of my life - We have become numb to administration, after all Bradford City are still around as are Glasgow Rangers and its not that bad really is it? But I tend to agree with the worst views of the outcome of administration we just can't take that risk, so lets get through this together and then set about ensuring it cannot happen again.

So please pledge and keep running with the Bulls cos we're alright!

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Nice post

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That is the most surprising post I have read on here in many a day.

Why oh why did you give the impression, in the past, of trying to wind-up and antagonise more than a few of those with whom, when you cut through all the mistrust and maybe misunderstanding, you actually have violent agreement? In most of what you just wrote, you certainly have mine. And respect.

Bit stunned now. Looking like some rapid revisiting of opinion is necessary.

ps. In an earlier post, I mocked your anti-BOD stance with "you are Chris Caisley and I claim my £5" sarcasm. I did not believe you were sincere. Your post above gives the lie to that, so it was very wrong of me, and I apologise.

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Except...some parts do not ring true.

E.g. Stuart is quoted as saying we were one of only three clubs to make a profit last year, and the writer had checked this online and it was correct.

The latest filed accounts online are for y/e 31/12/10. They show a loss of over £300k.

The 2011 accounts do not have to be filed until 30/9/12.

So how can what was said be so?

Some of those answers in accordance with what we were told last night; some are a bit at variance, either expressly or implicitly.

There are some additional points, some of which I was aware of, some seem to be additional but credible detail.

I can only admit to being very puzzled.

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Quote: Adeybull "Except...some parts do not ring true.

E.g. Stuart is quoted as saying we were one of only three clubs to make a profit last year, and the writer had checked this online and it was correct.

The latest filed accounts online are for y/e 31/12/10. They show a loss of over £300k.

The 2011 accounts do not have to be filed until 30/9/12.

So how can what was said be so?

Some of those answers in accordance with what we were told last night; some are a bit at variance, either expressly or implicitly.

There are some additional points, some of which I was aware of, some seem to be additional but credible detail.

I can only admit to being very puzzled.'"


Pardon my ignorance Adey, but would it be possible to have an 'operating profit' but still make a loss due to "exceptional payments"?

Obviously this would show as a loss on the overall balance sheet but it could have been what he was thinking of (but didn't explain too well, typical Bulls!)

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Quote: Bulliac "Pardon my ignorance Adey, but would it be possible to have an 'operating profit' but still make a loss due to "exceptional payments"?

Obviously this would show as a loss on the overall balance sheet but it could have been what he was thinking of (but didn't explain too well, typical Bulls!)'"


Yes, but that is not what the accounts show. If the loss WAS at least partly if not largely attributable to "exceptional Harrises" or whatever, that is not evident from the published accounts.

It is not impossible that the guy looked up "Bradford Bulls Limited " (The lottery company) instead of "Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd".

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Quote: Adeybull "Yes, but that is not what the accounts show. If the loss WAS at least partly if not largely attributable to "exceptional Harrises" or whatever, that is not evident from the published accounts.

It is not impossible that the guy looked up "Bradford Bulls Limited " (The lottery company) instead of "Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd".'"

Cheers Adey. You could be right with the lottery company bit, though strangely, I'm sure my payment goes to a company with Bradford Northern in the name. However it matters not right now.

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Quote: Frank Whitcombe "So I offer my opinion to a public forum and I get the usual response, so lets get a few things straight whilst we're all getting things off our chest!

Firstly, I have pledged a four figure sum of money to the quest (despite my mistrust of the BoD), and though I'm not a wealthy man I earn a good salary and I can afford to donate that cash to try and help our club, today I took the last shirt Lesley Vainokolo wore for our great club, that is signed and framed off my office wall and dropped it off with Stuart Duffy to auction tomorrow (hopefully for several thousand pounds), and no I am not Chris Caisley, nor do I have any association with him or anyone he associates with, I hope he too will be consigned to history in the not too distant future!

My donation is no more worthy than anyone else's and I would love to shake the hand of every last person who has pledged money to help MY club out of its current plight whether it be £1 or £1,000!

I first visited Odsal in 1978 (I was 5) with my Dad, Grandad, and Great Grandad, we sat in the main stand on the white benches and my Great Grandad shook so badly with Parkinsons that the entire row shook by halftime, it helped us keep warm. My Grandad donated money in 1963 at the meeting in St Georges Hall and he will be turning in his grave to see it all happening again! Peter Roe was my boyhood hero and the club means the world to me, I am genuinely heartbroken at our current plight, but my story is by no means unique.

I have publicly criticised the running of the club for some time now, on this forum (only to be bullied off the board with some of the vitriol sent my way after speaking my mind), and when discussing the club with friends and family. We've got some very big decisions wrong and often obviously so! We've lost our way with recruitment, lost kids we should have been playing, kept a coach not up to the task in front of him (not his fault), I could go on, and worse of all for me it now transpires that the BoD have been at best less than frank and at worse disingenuous on several occasions about decisions they have taken and more importantly why they have taken them.

Its oft trotted out that they are genuine guys trying their best and working free, which I'm sure is probably true, but they're out of their depth if thats the case and should have stood aside long before now, the adage you get what you pay for may never have been more apt - We are a professional sports team playing in that sports elite competition, we shouldn't be playing at it, and if we cannot afford to play with the big boys we shouldn't be jeopardising the clubs future to do so, or at least until we can afford to once more, sport is cyclical and as a Bradford fan you learn patience!

So I can fully understand why people don't want to pledge, and I would hope that people can see my view that the Board members positions are ultimately untenable, they are out of goodwill and almost out of time, perfect storm of unique financial circumstances or not, but hopefully the good folk of Bradford will save their rugby league team once again!

And its in that spirit that I urge everyone who can, to pledge as much as you can to save the sporting love of my life - We have become numb to administration, after all Bradford City are still around as are Glasgow Rangers and its not that bad really is it? But I tend to agree with the worst views of the outcome of administration we just can't take that risk, so lets get through this together and then set about ensuring it cannot happen again.

So please pledge and keep running with the Bulls cos we're alright!'"


Frank - I am certain that someone's hacked your account. Just to cater for the 0.1% possibility that they have not and this is the real you -
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Quote: Bulliac "Cheers Adey. You could be right with the lottery company bit, though strangely, I'm sure my payment goes to a company with Bradford Northern in the name. However it matters not right now.'"


There are two subsidiaries: Bradford Northern Rugby League Football Club (1964) Ltd (formely Bradford Northern Promotions Ltd) and Bradford Bulls Ltd (formerly Bradford Northern Developments Ltd). Been name swaps in the past, but prob. not relevant now.

I think yes the former runs the lottery? The latter is dormant?

So still none the wiser!

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Current total stands at £370,000 according to T&A

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Quote: "Frank - I am certain that someone's hacked your account. Just to cater for the 0.1% possibility that they have not and this is the real you - '"


All me and from the bottom of my shoe! icon_wink.gif

We all basically want the same thing, and its been difficult to watch us slide into the entirely avoidable position we now find ourselves these last few years. I'm all for supporting people, but a lot of what I've had to say has very regrettably come to fruition icon_sad.gif and at times its felt like I was the only person shouting about the shark in the water while everyone else happily paddled away!

Perhaps in the past my views haven't been balanced and I should have applauded more when we did things well. I will correct that going forward.....

Looking forward to tonight, I've enticed people back that haven't been for a long time lets hope its a good game and a special Odsal atmosphere!

I am told by some good friends who support the club from Headingley that they might even be singing for us icon_eek.gif

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Not sure I made it as clear as I might have before, so I will now. It seems clear now that I was completely wrong about you. Please accept my apologies?

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