Blimey, and you call us lot pessimistic.

Thanks for that, my view entirely, saved me a lot of typing.

Fair point, but if not meaningful then is there any point.

I get some peoples points about fans forums but in the past these have just ended up being a load of hot air. The only problem I have is that on one hand if the club hosts one, they may be accused of the same old lies and hot air, whilst if they don't people complain there is no communication. Either way, they cannot win.

For me, I like the idea of these small fans focus groups and from all accounts last nights was constructive and positive. If those actions can be made then that is only a positive thing for me.

Over the last few years we've had far too many owners who like the attention and the sound of their own voice for their own good. I'd much rather have a quiet one who doesn't over-promise and quietly goes about getting the club on sound ground.

While we're telling people to f*ck off and leave, can we also get rid of those k**bhead fans who cannot have a bad word said about the club and label anyone who does as some sort of lesser fan?

Truth is, the club needs all levels of support and its no secret that a lot of supporters feel let down and ignored by the current club. No doubt the previous admins have also taken their toll so the new lot are going to have to work harder than perhaps they feel they should to win a few hearts back. A bit more honesty and a kick up the backside for the media person would be a great start.

Personally I don't want for much, I just want to see the glory days back at odsal. Hashtag bring back the bouncy castle

I don't think its helpful to be telling people either to bog off if they aren't deliriously happy that we have a club OR that we should be permanently grumpy about everything.

I like to think I'm somewhere in the middle. Cautious about things, [itrying[/i to be supportive - whilst not swallowing everything that comes from the club (that stance disappeared with the events of the last Admin/Liquidation)

As for 'what I wanted', I guess it would have been good to have heard something, [ianything[/i, from our owners since they took over the club. Andrew Chalmers appears to be doing some things right at the moment - not least by meeting two members of this very forum, as well as the 'focus groups'. Fair play to him for that! I'm not clear why he couldn't have done this much, much earlier, other than the oft-repeated 'we've had a lot to do'.

I certainly agree that there was a lot to do to build up the club from scratch, but I'd argue that giving the odd hour or two to communicate with the supporter base was actually an integral part of 'building up the club'...

No, it definitely happened. Some people on the supoorters facebook group went. Some were throwing their toys out of the pram saying the main people of the supporters group should have gone (certainly a case of feeling they're superior to other fans)

But the couple who did go said the focus group was exactly the right format. Rather than a fans forum where in the past it was more the owner telling the fans what was happening with a whole lot of hot air (followed by winding up petitions., unpaid wages andc administrations) the focus group was more the fans talking by all accounts and sharing their concerns and ideas with the club. They wasn't any shouting arguing that you may get with a big group in a forum with people trying to get thier point across. They said it was exactly the correct format for fans to get their point across. I didn't go to the fans forum but im not too sure how much input the fans had compared to this focus group (which from those that went said it was a decent exercise)

Good to know it was a real thing then. Not so good they think that these self appointed supporters groups represent the fans, but I suppose talking to them is better than talking to nobody. They certainly don't represent me though, they're largely idiots.

Just to confirm, the focus group was completely random, some were asked while they were in the shop. Just so happened a couple were part of the supporters facebook group (it has 3.3k followers) the club didn't ask people specifically from that group.
Im not part of the group personally but seen comments on the page.

Well said - you beat me to it

10 out of 10 for sarcasm.

What is it with the in emperors clothes mentality - are we all supposed to pretend that we are happy with the current situation?
We should stop moaning and just pay up our hard earned cash each weekend like good little fans - you sound like one of those old players they keep wheeling out.
Most of us on here have paid £10,000's into this club over the years and you come on here with you sarcastic gob telling me I cant moan about the club - I'd say "f*ck off" but I'd get barred - so I'll just think it!

What one thing would I want you ask? - Well beating the worst performing team in the league 2 weeks ago would have been a good start!! - oops there I go again moaning about how $hite the team us - sorry I meant to say our boys did really well against the Rams we were just unlucky with the bounce of the ball on that day - Happy now?

I dont know why I stay part of that particular group on FB there always seems an air of self importance about them

I received an email this morning from Andrew Chalmers asking for a link to this thread, which I sent. So maybe your concerns WILL be heard (or at least read!).

Thanks Fr13daY.

Maybe he should also read previous threads where the majority of us, at the beginning of the season, said we wouldnt judge him too soon, we'd give him chance to settle in and get established; all we wanted was to stay up.

Hi Andrew.
Can we have some new players please so we don't get relegated?
Thank you.