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Quote: Starbug "Complete and utter bollox

You cannot rely on your results and performances to increase income, this is why you are in the crap you currently are, it is lazy management to do this, as was reducing your ST prices'"



It's only one of the parameters, but to put and to keep bums on seats results and performance on the field of play is the main indicator of income?

Figures of the before and after of this statement can be generated to prove conclusively that people paying out money generates income.

Your opinion like your crude expression is unwarranted.

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Quote: Rarebreed "It's only one of the parameters, but to put and to keep bums on seats results and performance on the field of play is the main indicator of income?

Figures of the before and after of this statement can be generated to prove conclusively that people paying out money generates income.

Your opinion like your crude expression is unwarranted.'"


If you reread my post you will see I used the word ' rely ' , in that yes attractive and successful results can and often do result in increased inome, but you cannot RELY on that as a business plan, once as a board of directors you have allocated your coach his playing budget , it is then you start to do the real work you are involved at the club for

HTH

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Quote: Nothus "It seems like RHP isn't going anywhere according to today's t&a, which I suppose is some consolation.

Also, for what it's worth
What it says is that he is 'still at the helm'. It catergorically does not say he is going nowhere. Watch this space.

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Quote: rugbyreddog "What it says is that he is 'still at the helm'. It catergorically does not say he is going nowhere. Watch this space.'"


I'd imagine RHP's services don't come cheap, he left a good job at the giants to take up his current position. As chief executive did he have no vision of the budgets and the holes that were yet to appear?

If savings need to be made. What's to say a new director/chairman appointed may not decide to let RHP go?

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Quote: Starbug "If you reread my post you will see I used the word ' rely ' , in that yes attractive and successful results can and often do result in increased inome, but you cannot RELY on that as a business plan, once as a board of directors you have allocated your coach his playing budget , it is then you start to do the real work you are involved at the club for

HTH'"


Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed.[/i So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.

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Quote: martinwildbull "Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed.[/i So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.'"


Not if their experience is the usual one of assuming that a supposed better squad than previous years will result in better performance/results and therefore increased income

RL and Pro sport is awash with administrators that have failed , so experience isnt neccessarily the answer, what will be needed is some realism from you the fans , because quite often it is the expectations of them that drive administrations to overspend

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Quote: martinwildbull "Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed.[/i So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.'"


As regards ' Nievity ' ,I was one of quite a few who when OK was beeing mooted on here as a ' Successful Businessman ' and will therefore know what to do to, suggested that there is no ' normal business experience ' that can prepare anybody to run a Pro Sports club, and that it would be a couple of years at least before he would realise the difficulty involved, similarily the offer to forgo 50% of the SKY money if he didnt have the cash to replace it was stupid in the extreme, and doomed to fail

Unfortunatley for you the removing of licencing could see you potentially lose your SL status

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Well burger me.

Things areTHAT bad that we are relying on info from Gledhill?

It is worse than I thought. icon_sad.gif

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Anyone know what Gary Tasker is upto? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Not if their experience is the usual one of assuming that a supposed better squad than previous years will result in better performance/results and therefore increased income

RL and Pro sport is awash with administrators that have failed , so experience isnt neccessarily the answer, what will be needed is some realism from you the fans , because quite often it is the expectations of them that drive administrations to overspend'"

I suggest, as you are so keen to advise others, that you re-read my post. In this pathetic answer you confuse Rarebreeds "wish" and the intentions of the incoming board. My post clearly differentiated between the two, and what my hopes are.
Us fans do not run the club. If we did, I would have put the club into liquidation and started again with no obligations to anybody, and before the fans and others had put £500k into the black hole. Yes there are those that expect signings as if it were 2003 not 2013, but there is a massive dose of realism in the rest. BUT it is the administrators that run the club, and to repeat what I said, I hope that the incoming lot are as realistic as the outgoing lot.

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Quote: martinwildbull "I would have put the club into liquidation and started again with no obligations to anybody.'"


Would you?

Even if it had been clear that the RFL penalty for going bust was relegation to the bottom division? (Like N Wales Crusaders)?

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What happened to the "I've remortgaged my property portfolio, which means the Bulls future is SAFE for he next two years".........another lie from "The Saviour" ??

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Quote: martinwildbull "I suggest, as you are so keen to advise others, that you re-read my post. In this pathetic answer you confuse Rarebreeds "wish" and the intentions of the incoming board. My post clearly differentiated between the two, and what my hopes are.
Us fans do not run the club. If we did, I would have put the club into liquidation and started again with no obligations to anybody, and before the fans and others had put £500k into the black hole. Yes there are those that expect signings as if it were 2003 not 2013, but there is a massive dose of realism in the rest. BUT it is the administrators that run the club, and to repeat what I said, I hope that the incoming lot are as realistic as the outgoing lot.'"


No confusion at all, the fact that the spend to gain plan has a long history of failure, it is still the one most often tried again,as you say whoever comes in hopefully has a better plan

As wooden spoon has aluded to, you would have taken relegation to Championship 1 ? , hindsight perhaps is a wonderful thing

As it seems you dont appreciate any non Bradford participation in this thread I'll leave it there

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Quote: Starbug "
As it seems you dont appreciate any non Bradford participation in this thread I'll leave it there'"


Unfortunately this is oft the case on here. Anyone who says anything bad about the club is dismissed as a "troll" and anyone who supports a different side generally has "an agenda".

The problem is that so many of our fans have believed the lies for years now that finally getting the truth really DOES hurt.

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Quote: Starbug "No confusion at all, the fact that the spend to gain plan has a long history of failure, it is still the one most often tried again,as you say whoever comes in hopefully has a better plan

As wooden spoon has aluded to, you would have taken relegation to Championship 1 ? , hindsight perhaps is a wonderful thing

As it seems you dont appreciate any non Bradford participation in this thread I'll leave it there'"


The thing is, most non Bradford participation is usually along the lines of "You should have been thrown out of the sport all together" or other helpful and insightful comments.

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