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| Quote: Bullseye "Anyone else going off here apart from me, Ricky and Frank?'"
I'll be there with my dad I think.
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| I've ordered tickets so planning to go barring any last minute work commitments. It's make or break for me. If I leave Odsal on Wed feeling like I've wasted my evening listening to a load of spin it will more than likely be my last visit to Odsal for the foreseeable future.
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| Will keep a look out for you both.
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| Will be interested if anyone asks since the club will be playing in a lower division against even lesser teams than this year, can we expect the gate prices to drop to reflect that? And season ticket prices too?
I fully expect an avoidance answer of not knowing the structure and how many home games there are yet because of the potential for teams dropping out, so I could understand not knowing season ticket prices, but the gate price I would be amazed if it hasn't been discussed. Actually, I take that back, I wouldn't be amazed. As that would suggest some kind of forward planning.
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| All great Q's Bullseye, some to add, I don't mind who asks them...
For Chalmers;
You provided a business plan and financial guarantees to the RFL to acquire the club, whilst it may well have evolved in the past few months are you prepared to share the broad details of the plan (including assumptions regarding on-field success) and the levels of funding guarantees provided?
There are rumours of third party funding assistance from Salford's owner - if true, was the assistance a short term bridging facility or is it a longer term arrangement, and how worried should we be about its continuation or otherwise in terms of the clubs ongoing liquidity?
Which individuals actually own the Bradford Bulls, noting that Lowe only became a Director of Orcas Rugby League on 24/12/2016 was that for the sole purpose of acquiring the Bulls?
What is your continuing role and responsibility in the other 14 companies that register you as a Director; [iChalmers Tennessee Trustee Limited | Cyanz Technologies Limited | Forestry Management & Assets Limited | Fourfourone Properties Limited | Fourfourone Trustees Limited | Harvest Planning Properties Limited | Harvestpro Limited | Lowie Institute Limited | The Orcas Rugby League Limited | Pounamu Forestry Asset Management Limited | Pounamu Property Investments Limited | Pounamu International Limited | Pounamu NZ Limited | Pounamu Forestry International Limited | Pounamu Forestry Asset Leasing Limited[/i
Who owns the SouthBank facility?
Regardless of full time, part time or a hybrid, are you prepared to publish a list of retained and signed players for next year - immediately after the last game of the season?
In addition to a Tier 1 academy, there has been mention of a reserve team next year - is this still a serious commitment?
What can fans do to help, other than keep throwing money at the club, as that isn't sustainable?
For Toovey;
Will you be here in 2018, if so why?
Often this year, part-time teams have looked fitter and stronger than our full-time players, discounting the academy youngsters still developing - how do you account for this?
How will you overcome your relative lack of experience in British Rugby League and in particular the lower leagues?
You are quoted as suggesting that we should treat next year as a 1 year diversion on the route back to success - what do you see as the most critical requirements in terms of playing and backroom staff for next years promotion challenge?
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "I've ordered tickets so planning to go barring any last minute work commitments. It's make or break for me. If I leave Odsal on Wed feeling like I've wasted my evening listening to a load of spin it will more than likely be my last visit to Odsal for the foreseeable future.'"
Same. I've ordered a ticket and at the moment I'm intending to go
But if I walk away feeling like I've been fobbed off then I'm walking away for the foreseeable
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| I'm thinking along the same lines but will probably still go to U19s games for a rugby fix.
Useful place to watch future stars of other teams begin
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| Quote: Bullseye "Anyone else going off here apart from me, Ricky and Frank?'"
I'm planning to go but don't expect it's going to be a pleasant experience for either side of the table. I think it's going to be a no win situation for Chalmers as if he puts up a positive aspect he will be criticised for spinning it, if negative then he's not taking it serious.
On other hand there are questions that I think do need asking.
For me, the fan representation one is interesting but there are a lot of big voices who seem to have support around them. My fear would be that no single voice can represent all the fans.
Instead I would prefer too see an official supporters group established. I'm fed up of the mob on Facebook claiming to be the voice of the fans. Sorry but they are not and I find it really annoying they get the attention and ability to speak publicly as they do. An official group would sideline them.
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| Agree an official group would have more credibility. Anyone can sign up to a Facebook group. But I doubt that any kind of fan rep on the board is realistic. You'd have to be mad to take that role on.
I think Chalmers can win over the room if he's honest and avoids the management bull that he's unfortunately prone to. You'll never please everyone but I still believe it wouldn't take that much to turn things around. He'd obviously have to follow through the words with actions.
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| Quote: Frank Whitcombe "
You are quoted as suggesting that we should treat next year as a 1 year diversion on the route back to success - what do you see as the most critical requirements in terms of playing and backroom staff for next years promotion challenge?'"
It may be worth pointing out that far from being a one year diversion it is closer to 12 year diversion.
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| Several good questions Bullseye.
But AC is a true business man (you can see that in his list of companies) so he will give us all the answers that makes us feel warm and secure.
Then he'll just carry on regardless of our feelings. I cant see him making money out of this latest venture (unless £'s cross palms for the ground/site) so he's either in this to tick the Bulls off his bucket list or as a favour to his pal Nige.
I'd be surprised if AC was still with us this time next year unless promotion (to SL2) is guaranteed.
He will probably use my list of "poll answers" as a check sheet at the forum because at least one of them could answer every question.
But I genuinely respect you guys that are going and will ask him the tough questions; you've stuck in there when most of us have called it a day.
But irrespective of his answers, if we choose to support this club - we need to win more games than we lose; whatever league we are in - and he has known that since January.
I'll give him that it was a really shoite start to the season with minus 12, no players, no club etc - but he knew that was what he was buying. So this season he has a clean slate (albeit the court cases/ET still hanging over us) so this is his last roll of the dice.
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| If I think about this season (I try hard not to) then what grates is we made a fantastic start and would not have been relegated if we'd added the necessary bodies to keep a reasonable standard up. Instead we stood on the tracks doing nothing, despite everyone knowing the Easter train was coming, it hit us, and we never recovered.
You can all say what you want about player availability, I'm sure that if we'd had had a decent amount of money available then we could have plugged the gaps at least enough not to sink. TBF ChaLow always made it clear they didn't have the money but it didn't make the pill any less bitter to watch the completely predictable collapse.
Ironically, keeping the ship afloat in 2018 (if they do) will likely cost them much more money than raising enough to plug the gaps would have done pre-Easter.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
Ironically, keeping the ship afloat in 2018 (if they do) will likely cost them much more money than raising enough to plug the gaps would have done pre-Easter.'"
Good point that. Question for tomorrow night "Which do you think is the least expensive course of action 1. Buying players to prevent being caught under strength over Easter and the following weeks and thus avoiding relegation or 2. Spending an entire season in C1 and having lower attendances?
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| I think they'll probably come back with the signings of Chisholm, Smith etc. If Chisholm hadn't have got injured in the SB, i genuinely think we would have been alright. We never recovered from the thuggery game against Dewsbury, Weak refereeing allowed kids to be hurt that day. You could see the whole squad just deflate. I think a few were shook up from what was allowed to happen that day. Losing became a habit and with referees allowing the nonsense in the Swinton, Dewsbury games etc to carry on, our young squad just weren't experienced enough to rise above it.
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| It was the expectation and then the disappointment which annoyed and irritated me. We were told by one journalist we were to have a jaw droppingly good coach named. It turned out to be Toovey. The "expectation" was that surely he would be backed by incoming players. We announced the squad numbers with no 10, 12, or 13 listed. Again the "expectation" was that reinforcements would be coming. But nothing happened. From then on as we know, nothing happened and absolutely no communication all season from the board, apart from the Q & A a couple of forum members tried to drag from them. All told a disastrous season, with regrettably for me, own goals which could and ought to have been avoided.
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