Yes, true pimp007 that could be a possibility for toovey.

Add to that the Big Nige link and koukash money and the newly formed "BradSal City Reds" will take Champ 1 by storm.
All the ex-bulls fans will have no other team to support so will we start drifting back to our Odsal home - because we cant live without our weekend fix.

Not being able to bring in new players was what killed his NRL career so, even though that was probably more a case of not wanting to 'shunt out' his former team mates at Manly, I would doubt he has much experience in setting up 'his own team' either. To be honest, I'd have preferred to hang onto Rohan Smith, obviously, I accept that costings have had to be considered.

Very good point also. He did inherit a very good team that he was obviously a part of. I am totally with you on the point of Smith. He seemed to have players that wanted to play for him, but also picked up a couple of unknowns and they turned out to be great. Also I believe inthis day and age maybe Smiths more relaxed coaching style is they way forward, rather than the screaming the house down Toovey seems to do.

I asked this back in June. I don't think he's a bad coach. He's just not what we need/ed. I thought it back then. I'm convinced now

Wouldn't bother me if he want back home. Okay He had a bad hand dealt, but surely any type of coach ought to be able to install the basics into full time players

Beechwood - couldn't agree more. Also, whilst Toovey is not responsible for fitness I fail to see why week in week out our full-time professionals appear to be less fit than so called part-timers - no sense?

We have the dregs of RL playing for us. They had no pre season and the club conditioner was changed mid season. I'd suggest we started unfit and fatigue has taken its course.

A number of players in the squad aren't happy and want away but nobody wants them. Hence the results. TBH I didn't expect us to win another game this season so the results against Swinton and Oldham were a surprise. Judging Toovey in these circumstances is unfair - You could put anyone in charge and our rabble would still be putting in the poor performances. I don't expect him to be around next year. He'd be mad to stay.

Accept all that. But when did you last see dummy runners, either one up or two? Even Swinton were doing that. On fitness, I have heard it forever about this lack of a pre-season. But these are full time players, what have they been doing all week, every week, surely the answer is building up fitness. They must (?) have an advantage over part timers training on a Tuesday and Thursday night. Has that been evident?

If some players can't be bothered I'd say it doesn't matter if they're fulltime or not. Support running and dummy running comes from enthusiasm to actually back up your teammate. Same thing applies in defence. I think some players are basically lazy or lack the moral fibre to get stuck in. We've got a side that has a losing culture and it's being further ingrained during this disastrous season. It's no wonder the younger players want to move - they're only going to do damage to their careers by playing in a side with players that aren't bothered. The sooner this ordeal is over the better. But that begs the question will 2018 be any better? From the lack of information coming out who knows?

Toovey's coaching is a moot point which doesn't have any bearing on the debacle I watched yesterday.
It was patently obvious that the team as a whole did not have the talent, heart, willpower, and (most of all) pride, to capitalise on the good start which they made through Batley's very poor opening 10 minutes.
The team yesterday can be broken down into individuals who all fall into one or more of the following categories: lacking talent - current 3/4 line is a good example ; lacking motivation (for various reasons - pick your own, plenty to choose from); on loan - disinterested - Cameron Smith is a prime candidate ; unfit or past it - some high earners here; immature newbies - these make up too high a % of the overall team.
That leaves only a very small handful of players from the starting 17 who could realistically offer a challenge to a half decent part-time team.
We weren't playing the likes of Swinton or Oldham yesterday, we played enthusiastic, well-seasoned opponents and our team frailties were exposed to their full extent.
Even the NRL's finest couldn't coach this lot to any meaningful success.

Batley are full of seasoned campaigners playing in a settled side that knows how to win. They may be having a poorer season this year in comparison to last but compared to us they're miles ahead.

I don't know if anyone else has heard the same, but rumour has it that John Bastian will be in charge of the first team next year with Toovey going home.
It'd be a good appointment IMO. I know that people want him to continue his excellent work with the academy, but since the squad will probably be made up of a few of those lads, it seems like a natural progression for him. Plus I'm sure he has ambitions to take a head coaching role up again.

I'm a big fan of John. If this is true I hope the club doesn't expect him to do two jobs. In his favour is his ability to inspire people, and he knows the game inside out. Against him is his previous record. I remember it didn't work out for him as a head coach at Fev a few years back. I think Leigh Beattie is the hands on coach of the U19s with Mark Dunning assisting. John's always there too but I'm sure when it comes to on field matters Leigh is in charge of the team.

I'd prefer someone from outside the club really who can really start afresh with the 1st team. Let John continue to do what he's excelled at in the past - running the whole youth setup. Without knowing much more it's hard to comment. This rumour sounds like a penny pinching option to me - unless they bring in a replacement head of youth. But why replace the best in the business in that position?

Spot on Bullseye. I couldn't agree more.