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I cant see there being any issue as a new company but credit where credit is due, The club released a coherent statement about the issue before I personally had even heard about it
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it has the smell of their legal advisers providing the statement, having heard how good the usual PR is.
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Well the pantomime continues with a new co that emerged from the mess of late last year, with no assets or liabilities as it was established, is being sued. It could only happen in Bradford!!!
Of course it can't happen, people could sue individuals involved, or the RFL, or perhaps the administrator, but by law the new co is safe, unless there is some dark deep secret being kept by Cha/Lo and the RFL.
Given the recent form and lack of communication it at least gives us something else to ponder.
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| Quote: Mirfieldbull "Well the pantomime continues with a new co that emerged from the mess of late last year, with no assets or liabilities as it was established, is being sued. It could only happen in Bradford!!!
Of course it can't happen, people could sue individuals involved, or the RFL, or perhaps the administrator, but by law the new co is safe, unless there is some dark deep secret being kept by Cha/Lo and the RFL.
Given the recent form and lack of communication it at least gives us something else to ponder.'"
Nah, according to some on twitter, some claiming to be some sort of media guys/students, they think because we play in the same kit, colours, logo that we're accountable. Frightening how people get so confused between COMPANIES and CLUBS. |
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| Quote: Bull Mania "Nah, according to some on twitter, some claiming to be some sort of media guys/students, they think because we play in the same kit, colours, logo that we're accountable. Frightening how people get so confused between COMPANIES and CLUBS.'"
The article in the guardian mentions that some of the individuals making the claims are being represented by the same solicitor that is dealing with the Cas/Denny Solomona case.
Those muppets on twitter might not realise the difference but I'm pretty sure that solicitor knows what's up.
The only thing I can think of that might drag the newco into this is whether there was any tupe stuff going on between the two companies. We all thought BBN Ltd was liquidated but that doesn't appear to be the case, so who knows. |
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BBN is liquidated, so unless there is an issue on timing TUPE can't apply.
Given the RFL gave a 2 week deadline to submit bids to form a new company to run a team in Bradford, I'd have expected legal claims to happen in that period for any TUPE claims.
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| Quote: Mirfieldbull "BBN is liquidated, so unless there is an issue on timing TUPE can't apply.
Given the RFL gave a 2 week deadline to submit bids to form a new company to run a team in Bradford, I'd have expected legal claims to happen in that period for any TUPE claims.'"
It isn't liquidated yet, that's the point. Go and check on companies house, the company is still in the process of being liquidated. |
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| Quote: Nothus "It isn't liquidated yet, that's the point. Go and check on companies house, the company is still in the process of being liquidated.'"
How CAN they still be being liquidated? They can't have anything to BE liquidated!
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| Quote: Fr13daY "How CAN they still be being liquidated? They can't have anything to BE liquidated!
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One reason could be that HMRC are dragging their heels or objecting to the company being wound up. Weren't they supposed to be going after Marc Green personally? They might want to keep the company alive while they do so. |
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| Quote: Nothus "It isn't liquidated yet, that's the point. Go and check on companies house, the company is still in the process of being liquidated.'"
Ok so the process isn't complete, but the administrator and the RFL were clear that it was in administration (or would be at some time in the future), so the new co took on the RFL license in good faith, having been approved by the RFL. If there is a basis of a claim, I can't see any way it can stick on new co, the RFOr administrator are potential targets |
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| Quote: Mirfieldbull "Ok so the process isn't complete, but the administrator and the RFL were clear that it was in administration (or would be at some time in the future), so the new co took on the RFL license in good faith, having been approved by the RFL. If there is a basis of a claim, I can't see any way it can stick on new co, the RFOr administrator are potential targets'"
Apologies for administration read liquidation |
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Quote: Nothus "
The only thing I can think of that might drag the newco into this is whether there was any tupe stuff going on between the two companies. We all thought BBN Ltd was liquidated but that doesn't appear to be the case, so who knows.'"
Well according to the rather interesting administrators report, the club assets (I.E The logo, brand etc) were sold to the RFL for £60,000 on 18th January So even if the holding company got brought by someone on the 19th for example, they couldn't call themselves Bradford Bulls.
I believe once they RFL legally brought the asset brand, they can do what they like with it. They then obviously sold it to Chalmers and Lowe at a later date.
Basically if anyone of us brought a ST from the club during the admin period (which is an asset as such) it doesn't make us liable for staff wages. Same with the RFL buying the brand. doesn't make us or them suddenly liable for unpaid wages i believe.
I'm no legal expert and could be completely wrong, but from my limited knowledge, that's how i underatnd it and i believe we won't have anything to answer to.
Admin report below. First time i've read it and just made the blood boil again
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/docu ... 3qnLyAU%3D |
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Quote: Nothus "
The only thing I can think of that might drag the newco into this is whether there was any tupe stuff going on between the two companies. We all thought BBN Ltd was liquidated but that doesn't appear to be the case, so who knows.'"
Well according to the rather interesting administrators report, the club assets (I.E The logo, brand etc) were sold to the RFL for £60,000 on 18th January So even if the holding company got brought by someone on the 19th for example, they couldn't call themselves Bradford Bulls.
I believe once they RFL legally brought the asset brand, they can do what they like with it. They then obviously sold it to Chalmers and Lowe at a later date.
Basically if anyone of us brought a ST from the club during the admin period (which is an asset as such) it doesn't make us liable for staff wages. Same with the RFL buying the brand. doesn't make us or them suddenly liable for unpaid wages i believe.
I'm no legal expert and could be completely wrong, but from my limited knowledge, that's how i underatnd it and i believe we won't have anything to answer to.
Admin report below. First time i've read it and just made the blood boil again
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/docu ... 3qnLyAU%3D | |
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Link doesn't work mate.
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| Quote: Nothus "The article in the guardian mentions that some of the individuals making the claims are being represented by the same solicitor that is dealing with the Cas/Denny Solomona case.
Those muppets on twitter might not realise the difference but I'm pretty sure that solicitor knows what's up.
The only thing I can think of that might drag the newco into this is whether there was any tupe stuff going on between the two companies. We all thought BBN Ltd was liquidated but that doesn't appear to be the case, so who knows.'"
There were no staff to TUPE across as they were all made redundant by the adminstrator. |
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