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What we need, at the very least, is a Press Release from the club outlining where exactly we go from here. They need to either sack Lowes or publicly back him and at least it will put an end, to some degree, the constant speculation.

It seems clear to me (and has for a while now) that Lowes is not up to the task, but he is not alone. The recruitment (whomever is responsible for it) has been poor and there really is not real sign of any improvement anywhere.

Yes, we can all (rightfully) moan about the inequality of the middle 8's and home promotion is unlikely but we need to get our own house in order before finding fault with others.

What exactly IS the long term plan for BBRLFC? We need some clarification. Fast.

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Not sure the usual, 'vote of confidence', from the board is something to put an end to speculation - to be honest, in the usual sporting context it usually just ramps it up.

I think after the, 'new smaller, more effective squad', turned into the same kind of bloated, half used one, we had last year, we are definitely authors of our own problems and the current disarray is just another symptom of that. For sure, the 'top brass', Chairman Green, Steve Ferres and Robbie need to have a close look at what is going on, identify the reasons behind it and then act.

My opinion is that the top end of the squad [even without a recognised 7]is of high enough quality to be a force in this division, and even be the nucleus of a good side in a higher division, so it must be down to how they are being led.

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Quote: Blotto "If Jimmy goes and its by no means certain. Realistically who is out there as a Coach who can do what we expect?
It could be we would the same problem that we have finding a suitable scrum half!
A Coach with SL experience is needed
Morro is a sentimental ask same as when we got Jimmy.
Just to frighten you Richard Agar is available
When we (Fax) got relegated we made this same mistake, not with the coach so much but the players. We signed a load of rubbish SL players rather than signing the bes Championship players. I think its the same with the coach, at this level a decent Championship coach who knows and understands the league is most needed. Surprised theres not been much mention of Rowley. Or even Matt Calland, former Bulls player, led Fax to back to back titles playing exciting rugby.

Some will take offence to this, but I mean it politely; youre not a SLclub anymore and the sooner you recognise it the sooner youll become a top championship club.

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Quote: Halifax1989 "Some will take offence to this, but I mean it politely; youre not a SLclub anymore and the sooner you recognise it the sooner youll become a top championship club.'"


I think most of our fans have accepted it to be fair. More so this season than last.

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Quote: Halifax1989 "When we (Fax) got relegated we made this same mistake, not with the coach so much but the players. We signed a load of rubbish SL players rather than signing the bes Championship players. I think its the same with the coach, at this level a decent Championship coach who knows and understands the league is most needed. Surprised theres not been much mention of Rowley. Or even Matt Calland, former Bulls player, led Fax to back to back titles playing exciting rugby.'"


Well I thought the idea of recruiting Harrison was to get someone in with knowledge of the championship but apparently he and Lowes fell out and according to Harrison Lowes wasn't interested in his advice. I'm not sure how much knowledge of the league is that important. If you have the right squad and they are coached well you have a better chance no matter what the league. At the moment we have a bloated and unbalanced squad of players that have lost all confidence and a coach who's lost for answers.

Quote: Halifax1989 "Some will take offence to this, but I mean it politely; youre not a SLclub anymore and the sooner you recognise it the sooner youll become a top championship club.'"


TBH mate nobody has thought we were a SL team for sometime now. As far as accepting we're a championship side is concerned that's obvious - we're not even a top one in that division at the moment.


Quote: Halifax1989 "Not sure the usual, 'vote of confidence', from the board is something to put an end to speculation - to be honest, in the usual sporting context it usually just ramps it up.'"


I agree. Judging by Lowes' press conference yesterday he sounded a defeated man. I really can't see him turning this around.

Quote: Halifax1989 "I think after the, 'new smaller, more effective squad', turned into the same kind of bloated, half used one, we had last year, we are definitely authors of our own problems and the current disarray is just another symptom of that. For sure, the 'top brass', Chairman Green, Steve Ferres and Robbie need to have a close look at what is going on, identify the reasons behind it and then act.'"


Ferres has delivered a mess of a playing squad. Too many players are signed that are superfluous to requirements. We're told money is tight yet we've frittered a lot away on players that never play - even in an injury crisis.

Quote: Halifax1989 "My opinion is that the top end of the squad [even without a recognised 7]is of high enough quality to be a force in this division, and even be the nucleus of a good side in a higher division, so it must be down to how they are being led.'"


I agree. The players we have are much better than they're showing - it's all reminiscent of Franny Cummins final days in charge at the moment. A new man in charge might just put some smiles back on faces at the very least. I just hope the current malaise isn't a sign of other off field problems lurking.

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What is actually very interesting for me, as a overseer from afar is how much of the "hardcore" on here seem to have practically "thrown in the towel" at the latest events unfolding at Odsal these days.

In the past, one thing I was always guaranteed if I went off on a McNamara rant was that certain people would always lodge a passionate defence and try to look at whatever positives were there to be taken.

Now, no evidence.

As far as I am concerned, when you see the likes of Bullseye, Bully Boxer, FA, Bulliac, vbfg etc almost resigned to our fate then it is time to be concerned.

(and I mean that as a strong compliment to the above people who have given more than they perhaps should have done.)

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My faith hasn't resigned. It got sacked.

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Quote: mystic eddie "What is actually very interesting for me, as a overseer from afar is how much of the "hardcore" on here seem to have practically "thrown in the towel" at the latest events unfolding at Odsal these days.

In the past, one thing I was always guaranteed if I went off on a McNamara rant was that certain people would always lodge a passionate defence and try to look at whatever positives were there to be taken.

Now, no evidence.

As far as I am concerned, when you see the likes of Bullseye, Bully Boxer, FA, Bulliac, vbfg etc almost resigned to our fate then it is time to be concerned.

(and I mean that as a strong compliment to the above people who have given more than they perhaps should have done.)'"


True

I have been around a fair while too.

There is only so much you can take of the circles of despair.

First it was Hood / Mcnamara

Then it was Khan / Cummins

At the last point - I was about to stop buying a season ticket but Marc Greens passion and enthusiasm got to me..

Last season gave enough in terms of hope - even though the MPG was a real bad day.

But here we go again now - and like the others - beyond anger now - just deflated and dread going to watch (again)

Its the (again) bit that wears you down!

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Quote: Peter Hood "Brian Noble's interview after the game made interesting listening, especially the line >> "Communication is key to getting the best from your players. If you can't communicate with them, you can't engage with them."

If Lowes hasn't the basic communication skill set to actually communicate his message to the players then the situation is more perilous than we thought.'"


So nothing to do with Nobby spying a vulnerable opportunity then?

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Quote: Halifax1989 "When we (Fax) got relegated we made this same mistake, not with the coach so much but the players. We signed a load of rubbish SL players rather than signing the bes Championship players. I think its the same with the coach, at this level a decent Championship coach who knows and understands the league is most needed. Surprised theres not been much mention of Rowley. Or even Matt Calland, former Bulls player, led Fax to back to back titles playing exciting rugby.

Some will take offence to this, but I mean it politely; youre not a SLclub anymore and the sooner you recognise it the sooner youll become a top championship club.'"


Calland is still running riot playing for Rochdale Mayfield in the conference

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There's a huge difference between being able to change things by actions on the field as Jimmy used to do and being an articulate,inspirational,smart,shrewd talker/motivator of men a la Peter Fox.Jimmy has proven that he hasn't the nowse to be a top head coach imo and the sooner changes are made the better,because no changes made will see things stay exactly the same and the abyss awaits in that case.
Come on be brave and take the BULL by the HORNS.
I would take Brian Smith above Rowley/Morrisson as they are not proven as off field leaders/motivators and we could be in exactly the same place as we are now imo.Just my view.

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Quote: madasmcmadammcmad2 "I would take Brian Smith above Rowley/Morrisson as they are not proven as off field leaders/motivators and we could be in exactly the same place as we are now imo.Just my view.'"


I'd take any of them and Noble too.

Shame there is no modern equivalent of Sir Peter Fox.

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I was already pretty despondent before this season even started. The current topsy-turvy state of super league, the form of the 'lesser' SL sides and now our pathetic vein of form have all contributed to make my levels of optimism at an all time low.

As soon as you convince yourself that nobody will be getting promoted (and I have), then all of this mess just seems completely redundant.

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I'd love Noble to come in as head coach. If anybody can save this season then it's Brian Noble.

Beyond that. I wouldn't like to see him in a directory of rugby role. I fear his motivational impact on the first team would be limited from that role and that is what he is best at

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I'd go for Noble too. Knows the club and is a Bradfordian. Got the experience which we need. We've had our fair share of Young up and coming coaches. Time for someone who has been there and done it. Think Brian Smith is a none starter. He's back in OZ so can't see him coming back.

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