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| Quote: Duckman "Thats what I thought, cheers Mat. This is why I'd like a full press release from thre rfl explaining everything that happened in transparent detail, because the drift of rl collective memory now seem to run along the lines of the rfl gave us a blank cheque out of their own pockets and an unending credit line, so therefore with rlfan logic "why are the rfl not doing the same for Salford....etc etc" thats not my memory of the situation, we had a lot of rfl intervention (good and bad), but like you say the rfl actually ended up some cash down but asset up so will probably end up about level or in profit in the medium to long term.
The same set of circumstance does not apply, but I do hope the RFL and other clubs do everything they can do in this situation to help Salford. And like you say, helping Salford would seem a better use for the windfall of not paying us £500k, or whatever it is, rather than handing it out as a sweetner to the other clubs.'"
I agree that the sky money would be better off used this way providing Salford can show it wouldnt be swallowed up and they would be back in the same position in 12 months.
With the current climate i feel this may happen to more clubs over the coming years.
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| Quote: Leaf "Crusaders, Wakefield, ourselves and Salford. And this is happening [iwith[/i some kind of licensing agreement. Something needs to change for RL to become self-sustainable and perhaps a model sport that is reliant on the support of it's fanbase rather than TV money and sugar daddies... it's not like the sport has that much to lose. Plus a lot of England's best players could go to the NRL for the real money and that'll probably help the international team!
It's a stark choice between having to have this happen again to other clubs or ensuring that no club runs at a loss and having to bite the bullet and have semi-pro players playing at the top level.'"
There is no self sustainable model without TV. In any major sport.
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| Quote: AdeleMC "Other clubs seem to think they handed us money for no reason. I think the RFL paid wages purely because it was midseason and they didnt want to disrupt the rest of SL during last years campaign. The RFL did that when it looked like we'd be liquidated. Mr Khan came in very late to buy us & is now paying the RFL back plus some by not getting any sky money for next season.
For Salford to even be compared to the bulls and what happened with they would need to have someone buy them out in the last few days before liquidation after god knows how long in administration and that someone would then have to pump money into a loss making business and be hundreds of thousands down in their first year as new owners whilst central funds are withheld..
I hope it doesnt get that far with Salford and that someone comes in before the RFL would have to look at getting involved. Who would want to be in the same position we were in September?
We did have help from fans and a lot of clubs.. what concerns me is Salford dont have nowhere near the fanbase Bradford have..'"
The RFL didnt pay the wages by giving us any extra money though. They allowed us to draw our remaining sky payments for 2012 early. If we hadnt run into difficulties we'd have received that money from the RFL anyway as long as we fulfilled our fixture. It was only the timing of the payments that changed. we basically got the second half of the years monthly sky payments (plus a small amount from the 2013 payments) as two lump sums to fund the two wage bills that came up whilst we were in admin as I understand it. Once the takeover was complete OK started funding the wage bill.
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| Quote: mat "The RFL didnt pay the wages by giving us any extra money though. They allowed us to draw our remaining sky payments for 2012 early. If we hadnt run into difficulties we'd have received that money from the RFL anyway as long as we fulfilled our fixture. It was only the timing of the payments that changed. we basically got the second half of the years monthly sky payments (plus a small amount from the 2013 payments) as two lump sums to fund the two wage bills that came up whilst we were in admin as I understand it. Once the takeover was complete OK started funding the wage bill.'"
Yeah i understand that, sorry i was vague. Im just thinking if Sky money was paid to us in advance purely to see through fixtures... then if Salford go into administration before the start of the season it would be a totally different scenario.. Like with Wakefield & Crusaders. I hope the RFL can help Salford in some way and that it doesnt get to that but what concerns me is other fans presuming the money was just `given` on a plate when that wasnt the case. Whats to say Salfords new owners ( if they get some ) would be prepared to give up sky money over 2 seasons when they're losing money anyway? Very unlikely. Im thanking our lucky stars we even got a new owner at the moment.
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| Quote: tigertot "There is no self sustainable model without TV. In any major sport.'" Rubbish. Rugby League would be in bountiful good health were it not for the incompetent RFL.
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| I think the RFL have made it more difficult for Salford to attract a buyer (if indeed, it comes to that) by their treatment of the new regime at Odsal. Any prospective new owner will now have to factor in the fact that they will be victimised by the governing body and it well may be that final straw which puts then off.
From a Reds point of view, and indeed a rugby one, let's hope that it works out OK and Salford pull through.
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| Quote: Bulliac "I think the RFL have made it more difficult for Salford to attract a buyer (if indeed, it comes to that) by their treatment of the new regime at Odsal. Any prospective new owner will now have to factor in the fact that they will be victimised by the governing body and it well may be that final straw which puts then off.
From a Reds point of view, and indeed a rugby one, let's hope that it works out OK and Salford pull through.'"
Ring ring ring.
"Good morning, the RFL."
"Hi there, I would like to buy Salford."
"Oh great, thank you for saving the club. Oh you do know however, that although we support your endeavor 100% and are grateful to you for not letting the club go to the wall, that we will not let you have all the money you need this year. Oh, and we will not guarantee you a SL place to allow any long term investment to take place. Oh, and actually, just to make it that little bit easier, we will take the money we were going to give you and give it to your rivals. That's ok isn't it? As you can see, we are behind you 100%.
Hello, hello, hello...."
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| Quote: Bulliac "victimised by the governing body '"
Are you secretly from Wigan?
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| Quote: tigertot "Are you secretly from Wigan?'"
Bloody 'ell I've been outed....
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| Sadly for Salford, the league only helped us out as much as they could becuse we were part way through the season, and because we have a crazy system of playing some teams more than others, it would have really messed up the league table.
they were not concerned with Bradford as a club, simply with ensuring we fulfilled all our fixtures for the season.
They way they have with held the funding just backs that up! The league are paying the other clubs to cover for the fact that they favoured us more than they had in the past with other clubs in admin (wakey etc...) so that thier crazy fixture system didnt de rail the whole competition.
Lets hope Salford get to round one, then they might hav a chance of some help from the RFL!
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| Quote: isaac1 "Sadly for Salford, the league only helped us out as much as they could becuse we were part way through the season, and because we have a crazy system of playing some teams more than others, it would have really messed up the league table.
they were not concerned with Bradford as a club, simply with ensuring we fulfilled all our fixtures for the season.
They way they have with held the funding just backs that up! The league are paying the other clubs to cover for the fact that they favoured us more than they had in the past with other clubs in admin (wakey etc...) so that thier crazy fixture system didnt de rail the whole competition.
Lets hope Salford get to round one, then they might hav a chance of some help from the RFL!'"
The RFL do not distribute the Sky monies, that is done by Super League Europe.
The board of SLE (i.e. all club owners, CEO or whatever) voted on the dispersal of the funds, they voted for themselves.....
The RFL is a bag o'e but this time its not their fault alone
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| Quote: MjM "Rubbish. Rugby League would be in bountiful good health were it not for the incompetent RFL.'"
If fans bothered to go to games rather than moan about everything under the sun then we wouldn't be in this mess. The RFL is turning a healthy profit, it's being run well enough. Blame the clubs and fans.
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| Sibbs Rhinos,
The RFL's job is to regulate and administrate the game of professional rugby league in this country. If numerous clubs in the elite competition are financially unstable, it is the duty of the governing body to put measures in place to ensure that the integrity of the competitions it runs is secure. By helping us the way they did, they did that.
Do they need to do more? does our game need more financial regulations? do we need to look closely at how much players and agents take from our game?
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| The RFL have painted themselves into a corner. They have taken considerable grants to promote RFL (the sport), they chose to do this by concentrating on the "elite" super league teams. They grant the franshises based on a financial report submitted by the franshisees. This gives the RFL a get out, we only govern the sport and do not run the clubs, it's the clubs fault. If they refuse the bids they can be seen as not promoting the sport and the grants will need to be repaid. The RFL need to take a long hard look how to continue. They might be making money for RFL, the governing body but the money from the fans, TV etc. should go to the clubs not swell the coffers of the RFL, that might help clubs better than having to go cap in hand to the RFL for help, who can't be seen to help as it is their job to govern. It goes round and round and round. The only winners here are the RFL, it's the sport, clubs and fans who suffer.
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| I may be a bit out of touch, but the RFL and the clubs used to be the same thing; each (professional) club had a member on the council and an even say, and vote, in debates. I appreciate we now have a paid, non-club affiliated, full time chief exec and also that the full council might have been slimmed down to a workable number of delegates but AFAIK the general principle remains the same and all the people making decisions on behalf of the clubs (apart from the chief exec) are from the clubs, even if expected to be neutral on club issues.
It is clouded even more by SLE, but again 'they' are yet another collection of former club officials making decisions on behalf of the rest. All in all it's pretty difficult to blame the RFL/SLE without, at some level, blaming the clubs.
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